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posted by takyon on Sunday November 18 2018, @01:13AM   Printer-friendly
from the is-that-a-bone-saw-in-your-pocket? dept.

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C.I.A. Concludes That Saudi Crown Prince Ordered Khashoggi Killed

The Central Intelligence Agency has concluded that the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, ordered the killing of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to American officials.

The C.I.A. made the assessment based on the crown prince's control of Saudi Arabia, which is such that the killing would not have taken place without his approval, and has buttressed its conclusion with two sets of crucial communications: intercepts of the crown prince's calls in the days before the killing, and calls by the kill team to a senior aide to the crown prince.

[...] The increasingly definitive assessment from the spy agency creates a problem for President Trump, who has tied his administration to Prince Mohammed and proclaimed him the future of Saudi Arabia, a longtime American ally. But the new assessment by the C.I.A. is sure to harden the resolve of lawmakers on Capitol Hill to continue to investigate the killing of Mr. Khashoggi and punish Saudi Arabia.

Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, has been particularly close to Prince Mohammed. Mr. Kushner has long advocated that a strong relationship with the Saudis is in the United States' interest, and he has pushed to maintain support for the crown prince despite the death of Mr. Khashoggi, who Saudi officials now say was killed with a lethal dose of tranquilizers and dismembered. Previously, Saudi officials said that Mr. Khashoggi had been strangled.

[...] Neither administration officials nor intelligence officers believe the controversy over Mr. Khashoggi will drive Prince Mohammed from power, which is one reason White House officials believe cutting ties with the prince would not be in the interest of the United States.

takyon: The Saudis have denied the reports.

See also: Saudi media ignore US reports on Khashoggi
Top White House Official Involved in Saudi Sanctions Resigns

Previously: Turkey Says that a Missing Critic of the Saudi Government was Killed in Saudi Consulate in Istanbul
Saudi Arabia Reportedly Prepared to Admit Involvement in Journalist's Death


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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 18 2018, @05:54AM (12 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday November 18 2018, @05:54AM (#763375) Homepage Journal

    So what? The CIA is not a law enforcement agency and would have no jurisdiction in Saudi even if they were, so who gives two shits what they concluded?

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Sunday November 18 2018, @06:27AM (4 children)

    by Whoever (4524) on Sunday November 18 2018, @06:27AM (#763383) Journal

    Yeah, we already know that facts don't matter to you.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 18 2018, @11:24AM (3 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday November 18 2018, @11:24AM (#763436) Homepage Journal

      Nice strawman but no. Right or wrong is not the point I was trying to make. That this is essentially no different than whatever passes for the British DMV saying the same thing is.

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      • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Monday November 19 2018, @03:26AM (2 children)

        by Whoever (4524) on Monday November 19 2018, @03:26AM (#763768) Journal

        Ah, typical TMB, deny and run away when challenged. Perhaps I should remind you what you wrote:

        so who gives two shits what they concluded?

        Now, let's put this into context that the CIA is not, as you correctly pointed out, a law enforcement agency, which has absolutely no relevance to the issue of whether MBS ordered the killing or not; nor is it relevant to questions of the CIA's accuracy. Perhaps you might want to investigate what the "I" in "CIA" stands for.

        As I stated, facts don't matter to you. In this case, the fact of whether MBS ordered the killing or not.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 21 2018, @02:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 21 2018, @02:32AM (#764537)

          Does the I in CIA stand for the same kind of I as the I in AI?

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 21 2018, @10:45AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 21 2018, @10:45AM (#764647) Homepage Journal

          You mean the same agency that brought us your favorite "Iraq has WMDs"? You're having a very bad day for intellectual honesty.

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  • (Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Sunday November 18 2018, @06:50AM (2 children)

    by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Sunday November 18 2018, @06:50AM (#763391)

    Hilarious! Jurisdiction and CIA in the same sentence.

    Spooks are recruited specifically to work (read 'spy') in places where more traditional agencies have no jurisdiction.

    Although the public information already available could of told anyone who gave the order. Saudi citizen with an American green card working for an American company slaughtered in Turkey, a cleaning team shows up BEFORE investigators, Saudis story changes over and over again. That is some state sponsored shit there. And from the House of Saud, that could only be an order from the highest level as IMHO their 'government' is run more like the Mafia. And they just offed a made man. Now we find out if he's equivalent to the Teflon Don, The way palace intrigue has played out there in the past, and considering Muslim justice, he may find a knife in his back soon for bringing too much attention to their barbaric actions. It could of been so much cleaner, plane going down, hell, even some polonium (then they could blame Russia)..but hacked up and dissolved? Barbaric and brings way too much attention as it points a bloodied sword right at the Saudis.

    You're right of course, they are not law-enforcement, law enforcement would have to be invited to join an investigation. This is why we've got spooks in the first place. Jurisdiction has little meaning to spies.

    I wonder who has the movie rights.....

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    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday November 18 2018, @09:30AM (1 child)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday November 18 2018, @09:30AM (#763419) Homepage Journal

      You'd need a pot about the size of an oil drum or several ordinarily-large soup pots.

      There is no doubt in my mind that boiling human flesh and bones smells quite good, and would be tasty with celery, potatoes and onions.

      The flavor of meat-flavored soups comes mostly from bone marrow so you wouldn't have wanted to slice Kashoggi's muscles off his bones, rather you'd want to boil them together until the meat can be separated from the bones then broken up with a couple forks.

      Like the hamhock in the burrito beans that I had for supper earlier this evening.

      YUM!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18 2018, @07:11PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18 2018, @07:11PM (#763581)

        There is no doubt in my mind that boiling human flesh and bones smells quite good, and would be tasty with celery, potatoes and onions.

        The flavor of meat-flavored soups comes mostly from bone marrow so you wouldn't have wanted to slice Kashoggi's muscles off his bones, rather you'd want to boil them together until the meat can be separated from the bones then broken up with a couple forks.

        Is this your most frequently used tactic for survival? And are you sharing that recipe from personal experience?

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday November 18 2018, @02:46PM (3 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 18 2018, @02:46PM (#763488) Journal

    so who gives two shits what they concluded?

    Out of curiosity, is it interesting to you whether the Saudi Crown Prince ordered the murder of a political opponent and got caught due to sloppiness? Sounds like interesting news to me, particularly since it absolutely wrecks the Prince's public image as a reformer. Might also mean the end of the Saudi monarchy.