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posted by chromas on Tuesday November 27 2018, @11:23PM   Printer-friendly
from the beat-it,-don't-eat-it dept.

Phys.org:

Dr. Helen Harwatt, farmed animal law and policy fellow at Harvard Law School, advises that getting protein from plant sources instead of animal sources would drastically help in meeting climate targets and reduce the risk of overshooting temperature goals.

For the first time, Dr. Harwatt proposes a three-step strategy to gradually replace animal proteins with plant-sourced proteins, as part of the commitment to mitigate climate change. These are:

1) Acknowledging that current numbers of livestock are at their peak and will need to decline ('peak livestock').

2) Set targets to transition away from livestock products starting with foods linked with the highest greenhouse gas emissions such as beef, then cow's milk and pig meat ('worst-first' approach).

3) Assessing suitable replacement products against a range of criteria including greenhouse gas emission targets, land usage, and public health benefits ('best available food' approach).

Harwatt further elaborates that recent evidence shows, in comparison with the current food system, switching from animals to plants proteins, could potentially feed an additional 350 million people in the US alone.

You can eat plants or insects, but not meat.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 27 2018, @11:40PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 27 2018, @11:40PM (#767090)

    Troll? Anyone can try a low-carb (actual low-carb of under 50 g per day, not the fake one medical researchers made up) diet for a week and know this is true. The only people who would still deny this are apparently unwilling to put forth even the slightest effort to understand what people are trying to tell them (which is fine if they don't care, but not fine if they profess to care about the environment)

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:11AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:11AM (#767103)

    You were modded troll because you made a very ignorant sounding statement. You realize that there is plenty of protein we can get from plants without including the carbohydrates? Cause it sounds like you don't know that, and assume "eat less meat" means "eat more carbs".

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by qzm on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:41AM (11 children)

      by qzm (3260) on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:41AM (#767138)

      Care to name some of this magical low carb high protein natural plant based food?

      Rice is about 10 carbs to 1 protein
      Some beans get as high as 3:1..
      Soy is about 1:1, which is equal parts, pity there are almost zero non-GM sources of soy any more thanks to Monsanto.

      Of course that is ignoring the OTHER things you need from meat.
      Yes, you can get them from plants, however you often need a rather extreme diet to do it without popping pills.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:28AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:28AM (#767177)

        Meat is much more nutrient dense.

        From an environmental viewpoint, broccoli is as damaging as hamburger. Do you realize how many heads of lettuce you'd have to eat to equal 1 150g hamburger patty? At least 5lbs.

        https://www.treehugger.com/green-food/from-lettuce-to-beef-whats-the-water-footprint-of-your-food.html [treehugger.com]

        I know that some of their numbers are way off, so be skeptical, eg, Eggs -- 573 gallons.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @06:15AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @06:15AM (#767230)

        Tofu, soba noodles has 1/2 the protein density as chicken
        Wheat germ is 3/4 the density of chicken

        Also not all meats have the same density as chicken

        https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/ultimate-list-40-high-protein-foods.html [bodybuilding.com]

        It isn't hard, especially if you vary your diet with different plant based options. The density of plant protein is a clear winner when it comes to nutrient density per area of land.

        Then there is quinoa, apparently one of those superfoods, "Among whole grains, South American quinoa (technically a seed) is a rarity in that it contains all nine essential amino acids, making it a complete protein with muscle-building potential. Toasting quinoa in a dry skillet or saucepan before simmering it in water can enhance its natural nutty flavor."

        Beyond all that, you can simply reduce your meat intake drastically if you are anywhere near the US average of meat consumption. You don't HAVE to do this, but please stop arguing that it doesn't make all sorts of sense. I eat meat yet here I am arguing against you, so this isn't some ideological thing.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:53PM (#767325)

          Tofu, soba noodles has 1/2 the protein density as chicken
          Wheat germ is 3/4 the density of chicken

          It isnt about the presence of protein. It is getting the protein without getting carbs (which make humans feel hungrier than they should be and so consume wastefully). That is what this thread is about.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:00PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:00PM (#767416) Journal

        Care to name some of this magical low carb high protein natural plant based food?

        Here's 15 [beautybites.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:40PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:40PM (#767432)

          Did you look at that list? You would need to subsist on lettuce, parsely, and hemp seeds.

      • (Score: 1) by ChrisMaple on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:42PM (4 children)

        by ChrisMaple (6964) on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:42PM (#767434)

        Walnuts, 5:4 protein:carbohydrates. Almonds 1:1. Both are high in the healthy omega-3 fats.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:19PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:19PM (#767464)

          Figure out a 1-3k calorie/day diet with under 50g of carbs/day without meat. And dont forget, the point is for the person to feel full.

          • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday November 28 2018, @10:04PM (2 children)

            by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday November 28 2018, @10:04PM (#767524)

            If you want to feel full you don't want protein, you want fiber - most people don't eat nearly enough. And while it is commonly counted towards carbs and calories, it shouldn't, because it passes through you mostly undigested.

            And if you want a lot of fiber, try a natural diet rather than modern plants that have been intentionally bred to be outrageously calorie-rich. Look at what all the other great apes eat - massive amounts of roughage supplemented with fruit and occasionally a bit of meat.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @10:26PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @10:26PM (#767541)

              Just try it for one week, under 50 g of carbs per day. The scales will fall from your eyes about the scam being pulled. Half of the time you feel hungry it is due to addiction rather than actual nutritional need. Maybe more than half.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @10:29PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @10:29PM (#767543)

              Also, it is the fat in meat you need more than the protein.

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:46AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:46AM (#767145)
      Humans are not cows, we do not have the right stomach for complete digestion of plants. We are omnivores; we eat everything that grows or moves. If it does not grow or move, we move it and then eat. It is stupid to restrict human food to plants, and it is dangerous to stand between man and his roast beef.