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posted by martyb on Friday November 30 2018, @06:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-about-coffee,-bacon,-and-poutine? dept.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

It's not everyday an issue of Science contains articles about newly discovered "fresh" impact craters (Hiawatha) or fingers the source of the worst year to be alive (534 in case you're time traveling).

But the same issue has these open (no paywall) articles summarizing what we do know about eating and living long healthy lives.

Quick takeaways:

  • The 1977 guidelines that we all grew up with were written by politicians, not scientists.
  • Trans-fats are bad, no matter what.
  • Intermittent fasting can help your brain, kidneys, chemotherapy effectiveness and recovery, AND encourage weight loss.
  • Refined sugars and carbs are generally bad for you.

There's way more than any summary can contain. In fact, almost every section of these four meta-articles could be their own discussion topic.

Since I care for all of you, I want you all to be as healthy and live as long as you want. These articles contain the state of-the-art on how to do that through proper eating habits.

Optimizing the diet.
Dietary fat: From foe to friend?
A time to fast
The gut microbiota at the intersection of diet and human health
Swifter, higher, stronger: What’s on the menu?


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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @09:43AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @09:43AM (#768219)

    You have the right idea about not being obligated to eat if you are not hungry, but you are wrong about hunger signals and especially about fat.
    Today, Americans eat way too many simple carbs (flour and sugar). This messes up your hunger signals because of insulin response. You actually get hungrier the more you eat of this food. It doesn't satisfy. The answer is to eat more fat and protein and less simple carbs. Make sure to eat healthy fat though which means unsaturated fat. Again it's a proportion thing: some saturated fat is necessary, but at a much lower proportion than unsaturated fat, so you don't even need to try to eat saturated fat. You'll not lack. Natural oils as found in nuts, fish, and extra virgin olive oil are super healthy.

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday November 30 2018, @10:05AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 30 2018, @10:05AM (#768224) Journal

    The answer is to eat more fat and protein and less simple carbs.

    You may be onto something here.
    Does it happen, by chance, to know how complex the carbs in crispy honey bacon are?

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @10:53AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @10:53AM (#768229)

    Americans eat way too many simple carbs

    No. Not eat. Drink.

    Stop drinking soft drinks and other sugar bombs. Drink water. Then your diet is already more than halfway fixed.

  • (Score: 1, Disagree) by ledow on Friday November 30 2018, @12:27PM (9 children)

    by ledow (5567) on Friday November 30 2018, @12:27PM (#768241) Homepage

    You mention carbs and unsaturated. I switch off, as do most people.

    P.S. I probably consume more flour/sugar than anything else. Sugar is not the enemy to anything but your teeth. And there is no food that makes you hungrier., or else it'd be a vicious circle.
    P.P.S. if your choices are unhealthy or hungry, suffer one or the other. And don't whine to me about it!

    - Everything in moderation.
    - Try to follow what your body asks.
    - Let your brain take control. If you know sugar makes you hungry, and you can't possibly allow yourself to eat, then eat less sugar or cope with the hunger.

    Honestly, I have never monitored a "carb", "calorie" or "protein" in my life, except to literally prove people wrong about how "healthy" their muesli is (generally worse than honey-nut frosted cornflakes!) or why one slice of pizza means they may as well just give up pretending they are even trying to diet (possibly the worst single food product you can eat in your entire life).

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @01:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @01:38PM (#768258)

      Hi! I never had any problems with *my* teeth, so I don't know why people are always going on about brushing, seeing the dentist, and all that!
      Just be me and you'll never have any tooth problems!

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by Bobs on Friday November 30 2018, @01:46PM

      by Bobs (1462) on Friday November 30 2018, @01:46PM (#768262)

      Oh, come on. Pizza? Pizza is the worst food?

      Good pizza is a decent food: baked with bread, veggies, cheese and possibly meat. A meal in a mouthful.

      These are examples of much, much worse:

      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie
      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_fried_Oreo
      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis
      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese
      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_substitute

      (Apologies for the poor URL’s: my mobile doesn’t do double-quotes well.)

      Bon appetit!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @03:53PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @03:53PM (#768313)

      > - Try to follow what your body asks.

      And that, my friend, is exactly the problem that some people (me included) have to face. I'm constantly hungry, even when I've just eaten. Hungry, all the goddamn time. Therefore I eat more than I should. I know this, yet it is beyond my willpower to not eat. Sure, I can handle dieting (going even more hungry) for a while. But when your body screams 24/7 for food, any food, it is unbearable.

      Praise yourself lucky you don't have to go through this. It is hell.

      • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday November 30 2018, @10:08PM (1 child)

        by legont (4179) on Friday November 30 2018, @10:08PM (#768485)

        Have you tried untasty food in unlimited quantities? Empty the house of any food. Buy 100 pounds of chicken breast, boil it and put in the refregirator. Eat it as much as you want, but nothing else. (some vitamns to stay alive are needed, off cource).
        Once mastered, go on hunter diet. No food untill you catch the chicken. In practice, a day or two without food but with lots of cardio, then unlimited meat.

        --
        "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:38PM (#768510)

          What's untasty about chicken? Making a shitton of chicken soup isn't gonna make anyone skinny.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:48PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:48PM (#768512)

        Some options to shrink your stomach:
        Take some amphetamine pills - there are "diet pills" similar to adderall that basically work by making you nauseous so you can't eat. Pretty much any (meth)amphetamine will have the same effect though.
        Drink to excess/drink something you know will give you a bad hangover
        Don't bring a lunch to work and leave your money at home

        I know it's not a particularly healthy way to go about it, but feeling like shit and/or being unable to procure food is the only way I can stop eating, and it sounds like it might help you too. Once you manage to fast for day or two, it will be much easier to eat less, as long as you don't eat until you're all the way full - that's important, because you don't want to stretch your stomach back out, it will make it hard to feel full again. Spreading your meals out into smaller, more frequent portions can help you with not eating too much at one time if you have a hard time with it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @06:31AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @06:31AM (#768568)

        Generally that means you're missing some nutrients and your body is trying to find them and/or you're rapidly cycling your sugar/insulin levels which mean you need to eat less carbs/sugar and instead need more slowly digestible foods (fiber, meat/fat).

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @06:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @06:16PM (#768378)

      you're a fucking idiot.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 30 2018, @06:37PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday November 30 2018, @06:37PM (#768382) Journal

      Sugar is not the enemy to anything but your teeth

      That is simply not true.

      I was going to look up some references for you but this AC further down thread did a pretty good job already. [soylentnews.org]

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 30 2018, @03:21PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 30 2018, @03:21PM (#768294) Journal

    I've read a few similar articles. The primary victim in those articles is "diet" drinks. You taste buds taste that sweet, and they send a signal to the digestive system, 'Hey, here comes some sugar! Better gear up!' The stuff hits bottom, and the stomach is ready to thank the Lord for what we have recieved - but there is nothing nutritious there. Something, but the stomach doesn't recognize it. So, the signal goes back up, 'Hey, we got cheated! We didn't get our sugar down here!' Some hunger pangs are sent to the CPU to inform Central that there is a problem. So - the diet soda drinkers drink more soda to appease the pangs.

    Eating healthy is probably near impossible if you're sending trick signals to the digestive tract several times each day.