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on Friday November 30 2018, @09:47AM
from the Quite-a-few-from-Europe-and-China,-too dept.
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As a former H1 visa holder, this article interested me and shows the value that immigrants bring to the USA.
According to this opinion piece, the USA and specifically Santa Clara county is only the leader in tech because of immigrants.
In 1965, the Immigration Act of 1924 was repealed, opening the gates to immigrants and allowing a critical mass of technology companies to develop in clusters around Boston and Santa Clara County. A significant proportion of all the best graduates from the best schools in India (IIT) came to the USA -- in effect, the USA siphoned off India's best talent and used it to develop leadership in technology and to grow the economy.
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The US is Only a Leader in Tech Because of Foreign Workers
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @02:25PM (25 children)
As a black American, I fully support ending all immigration into the United States, and am a Patriotic American, and I can attest that Leftist/Democrat Party policies are most detrimental to black americans and keep us mired in policy, as well as sowing divisiveness and hatred of our country. Heres why:
The Analysis within the article that America could not do without foreign STEM workers, is incorrect and is most likely inspired by propaganda by industry associations and the US Chamber of Commerce which represent the interests in large corporations in importing cheap foreign labor. The notion that American citizens would not want well paying STEM jobs is absurd. The reason that there are foreign aliens in US STEM jobs is that American citizens have been laid off and unable to find work due to their being replaced by cheaper foreign workers in order to increase corporate profits. Foreign workers are preferred by corporations because they are cheaper than American workers. Numerous examples of this exist and its been going on for decades. Anyone looking at the data can see evidence of this and as well many have seen it with their own eyes. For instance, the issue of the Disney World workers being laid off and replaced with foreign workers is a small but visible example of this, of what has been widespread but has been ignored by the Corporate controlled Leftist Mass Media in the US which is a mouthpiece for large corporations and the elite structure who benefits from importation of cheap foreign labor and the dismissal of American workers. Many of us personally know people who have been laid off and replaced by cheap foreign workers, simply because foreign workers are cheaper, and thats the reason why Corporations want to hire them.
They would say that Disney World could not run, therefore, without cheap foreign workers. Actually it could run without cheap foreign workers, the reason they are employed there is not that American workers are not available, they are but were laid off, but that it is cheaper to hire Foreign workers and so companies import foreign workers instead of hiring American workers.
Over and over again, repeatedly in the media, we hear a constant ridicule of the United States for being racist, furthermore, of the plight of its downtrodden, this diatribe is coming from the same voices on the Left who extol the virtues of hiring cheap foreign aliens rather than American citizens. The fact is, it is Leftist policies, that are leading to greater poverty in the US,generally and less upward mobility, and as well serious harm to Americas blue collar workers. If Leftists truly cared about the plight of Americas poor, the first thing it would want to do is stop all immigration and to establish apprenticeship programs to train poor American families (of any racial group) for these well paying jobs that are available. The idea that America is a bad place for the poor flies in the face and is hypocritical coming from people who extoll the virtues of replacing American workers with cheap foreign labor. We should not allow them to get away with these lies.
In response to a proposals to end immigration, Leftists begin to hurl insults and derogatory pejoratives, as if simply having a border and not having immigration is a crime. This is despite the fact, it flies in the face of the fact, that immigration most severely impacts Americas black population, support for ending immigration is strongest among Americas black population, and that despite the fact that we could move Americans, including Black Americans, into well paying jobs that are available, who want a better income, rather than give jobs to foreign aliens.
Leftists jump to conclusions by their own spoken statements assuming anyone who opposes immigration and wants to stop immigration is someone who is driven by racism. It is they who instantly assume that American refers to only one racial group, not others. This flies in the face of the fact the most severely impacted by immigration are black americans, and that zero immigration policy would protect and benefit all Americans and their jobs and opportunities equally, it does not protect one racial group more than another one, and that it can be a part of a set of policies which can dramatically improve the condition of all impoverished Americans, regardless of race, by moving them into more well paying jobs in a condition of equal opportunity for All Americans, regardless of race, including Americas black people. Leftists statements also shows they are the ones who harbor hatred and bigotry, against the United States and its people, with a mentality that foreign aliens are superior to Americans which is built into the pro immigration mentality, immigration would have no point if Americans were not inferior to foreign aliens. It also shows how Leftists are themselves divisive by sowing the seeds of discord in American society through toxic attitudes that American society intrinsically benefits some of its citizens more than others (in fact, Leftists themselves advocate policies which benefit some more than others, this writing herein actually proposes policies that will ensure that americas prosperity is equally accessible to all citizens regardless of race), and that if the country fails, is overrun and damaged, its borders erased, that this benefits certain parts of its citizen population while harming other parts of the population. That is they are telling people in the US that if the US fails that its good for some of its citizens thus telling groups of citizens that they should want their country to fail. They also push an idea that America doing well in the area of creating jobs benefits some more than others, when in fact a rising tide raises all boats, and furthermore, the new policies which are being suggested in this discourse, which will be strenously opposed by leftists, actually would ensure equal opportunity and better access to opportunity for all americans including the black population, ensuring no one is "left behind" and showing that zero immigration policies coupled with other policies can equally benefit all americans regardless of race. The Leftist opposition to the policies proposed herein in this text demonstrates it is they who want to oppress American citizens. The idea that having no immigration and a border is absurd and outrageous, furthermore, considering as well that the advocates of closed borders more than anyone want to improve the lives and ensure equal opportunity for all of Americas citizens, including our Black communities.
As much as the left loves to accuse others of being racist for its own sheer, arrogant and self serving political agenda, the fact is the left seems to be driven by racist attitudes that America's black population and other American populations are not as suitable for well paying STEM fields as foreign alien populations. The lefts/democrat ideologies are also based on the idea that we need to hurt certain racial groups in the US to help other racial groups as a way to get and capture votes using a clearly racist ideology. They also assume that blacks are generally of this abhorrent mentality that we support this ideology that harming other Americans is something we want to do for our own benefit, instead of the truth which is that policies that benefit the United States as a whole , such as zero immigration policies, equally protect and benefit all Americans. Leftists also want to assume that all blacks like welfare and vote for more welfare. This is in fact where we can expose the fact that Leftists are the true racists and bigots who actually themselves help keep minority groups in the US in poverty so that they can rely on them as welfare voters and who do not want them to have upward mobility and to be able to obtain well paying jobs easily and accessibly. Liberals know that immigration and importation of cheap foreign labor is instrumental to maintain a captured welfare voter base by ensuring that Americas own citizens have much less of an opportunity to be able to enter these well paying professions due to the jobs being stolen by foreign aliens.
LIberals will also predictably strenuously oppose any effort to reform higher education policy in the USA by making more use of apprenticeship and certificate training programs to equip many Americans for higher paying jobs at a much lower cost than college. This is because not only are Liberals pets of college lobby but Liberals like the fact that college is inaccessible to a large number of people and presents a barrier to upward mobility thus ensuring they maintain a large welfare state in the US by preventing people with the college barrier from moving upward. Doctors and some high level Professional Engineers should go to college of course but most of the jobs, including programmer, IT, accountant, finance, etc do not require a college degree and apprenticeship, self study and test certificates can be just as effective. The cost savings by requiring fewer people to go to college could then be used to provide free college for the people who do need to go to college, the Doctors and top tier Professional Engineers. Approximately 10-20% of the American population actually needs to go to college. This would further reduce barriers to upward mobility and would have further benefits by helping reduce the amount of student loan debt doctors must carry, and increasing the supply of doctors which will help with improving access to health care.
Ending immigration together with changes to education policy with an emphasis on non-college apprentice training, will benefit all Americans, including black americans, and leftist pro-immigration policies are highly detrimental to americans, and are based on hateful, bigoted, divisive attitudes towards the people of the Unites States. Thanks for listening.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @02:37PM
Is that you Ivan? Nice diatribe. Putin will be proud.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @02:59PM (1 child)
I think you should refer to the people you call leftists/liberals as the DNC instead.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday November 30 2018, @05:16PM
The terms "left" and "right" barely make any sense in America where we basically have the pro-abortion-warmongering-corporate-sellouts and the anti-abortion-warmongering-corporate-sellouts.
There's plenty of rhetoric to be sure but nothing ever really changes -- as an example, there's a caged migrant child photo used to criticize Trump that was taken during the Obama administration. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-28/caged-migrant-children-photo-goes-viral-left-rages-trump-except-it-happened-under [zerohedge.com]
What is plain about American politics to me, is that the DNC and GOP don't really care about policy (see the entirety of Obama's term which looked like what one might expect a GWB term 3 & 4 to look like) -- they only care about inflaming their base and proving to independents that that the other guy is worse. What a shit show.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 30 2018, @03:11PM (10 children)
Thank you.
Can you say that bit a little louder, Brother (or Sister)? #walkaway So many seem to be trapped on the plantation, and can't escape.
FWIW, the only problem with the #walkaway thing is, many who are getting off the plantation seem to think their only other choice is to become a Republican. Americans of all types, colors, cultures, and classes need to get past that two-party bullshit.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday November 30 2018, @03:50PM (8 children)
I thought it was supposed to be 'African' American, or is this a "black people can call black people black but white men can't" thing like Nigger?
The longer I live, the more confused things be.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @04:05PM (1 child)
oh, a joker, you must be the american here.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Saturday December 01 2018, @01:05AM
Nope: a confused Canadian who has lost his way in a PC world.
"I'm shrinking.... SHRINKING!....Oh what a world, WHAT a world..."
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @07:15PM (3 children)
As a white man I can tell you that the majority of black people prefer "black".
Since you're autistic I'll explain that "African American" is a sort of safe word that nobody is allowed to get pissy about. Also PoC. Anyone using these terms in casual conversation is probably a load of snakes wandering around in human skin.
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Friday November 30 2018, @11:15PM (2 children)
So don't call you a Caucasian-American?
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday December 01 2018, @01:03AM
Just don't call me late for supper!
:)
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @05:01AM
I think very very few white Americans have any connection to the Caucasus Mountains. Germans are the single largest ethnic group... Nazi-American sounds about right.
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday December 01 2018, @06:02AM (1 child)
It's sort of like how you can call a friend a cunt, but not a stranger a cunt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 03 2018, @05:58AM
And you can grab a friend up by the cunt, but you can't grab a stranger by the cunt unless you're paying her.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @04:03PM
Thesis -- Anti-thesis -- Synthesis.
Setting up polarities is the time-honored way of 'divide and conquer'. Divide it down to where everyone is an exception and your opponents literally kill themselves for you.
e.g. its not a problem, its hegelian dialectic. read machiavelli if you've not been introduced to the plutocratic mind before. its a way of structuring the argument in such a way that you believe the only way is to drop-out/walk-away/ignore. see also anacyclosis. file under
stupid mind-games played to make you a porn-consuming divorced druggy gamer living on welfare .. or everything opposite of that.
its called and hailed as 'excluding the middle' as you need to be polarized (in conflict with) for you to ignore the theft/thievery of the good-life intangibles in and around you. that includes the decaying roads, bridges, health and pensions systems otherwise protected as the commons by everyone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @03:50PM (2 children)
Hey, what nonsense!
(i doubt that you've done any actual systems work, and from your writ, i'd never want you to work for me!)
I'm an idiot to reply to you at all. That out of the way --
and cutting out your blatant straw-man arguments (for which you would pretty much get fired or beat up anywhere) --
I've given 25yrs to the US, worked almost exclusively for 1..3rd gen immigrants with European and Hispanic Backgrounds, provided software and software services to mostly people with those backgrounds and had but two business contacts with black americans during that time, aside from having some working for customers when i was doing coaching. i wound up having bad experiences with blacks and females that were not of an immigrant background.
These are facts from my life experience. I've also seen the 'established' Americans succumb to drugs, inheritance squandering, sleezy business practices and suffer from lack of a drive for self-improvement, if not outright mental degeneracy that would never have had them pass the schools i had passed through by the age of 20.
So, sorry. While I'm glad to have left the country whose destruction you're advocating by way of the policies you suggest, please wise up to being out of touch with who's actually delivering the value in your so called 'society'. its likely not to be you.
And, hey, sure, i'm a smart good looking white guy who knows his stuff. I got in at 20 under an H1-B because i brought a unique value to an industry which i helped to obsolete. And no, I have no nightmares about having put scores of kind and always friendly to me unionized black people who's managers, at the time, were.. you guessed it .. also all f* white and brownish immigrants.
Don't put form over function bro. and yeah, that 'your' colleges and schools are not serving to 'you' is kinda obvious from anywhere else in the world. They can be excellent, mind you, but yeah, they are not really for average Americans, many are in high esteem just to attract more future immigrants :)
Enjoy my 'tremendous' contribution to your tax-base, the fruits of which/sosec i'll likely never see because .. as you demo .. hubris rules over there; but we'll talk about that again after the great crash of '19
(Score: 1, Troll) by curunir_wolf on Friday November 30 2018, @05:43PM (1 child)
I sure am glad you left to go back to your hell-hole country. I'm sure you're living the life of Riley now that you've got all those American dollars you can use to hire cheap-ass untouchables to wait on you hand and foot.
It sucks that you have ZERO gratitude for those opportunities WE gave you, and even come here to disparage the ones that gave it to you.
But, again, I'm glad you're gone. Please don't come back. So many foreigners like you are so horribly racist, it a real drag to see you.
I am a crackpot
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @06:37PM
What a little ahit you are, pleade move to another country that doesnt mind being portrayed as a bigoted shitheel.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @03:53PM (4 children)
Imports from south of the border are to replace lower class blacks. The immigrants have no derogatory credit or criminal record, nor an alternative of welfare. The democratic party is fine with maintaining the blacks on welfare as long as they keep voting for them. They do not care that the community sinks in an ocean of uselessness, drugs, poverty and crime.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:22PM (1 child)
You know what, if this insane level of projection gets Republicans to help out minority communities to "stick it to the libs" then I am OK with it. Let me know when Republicans reverse their racist policies that disenfranchise minority voters and cops (overwhelmingly conservative) stop murdering innocent minorities.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @02:45AM
Christ, you need an ID to buy a pack of smokes or a beer, it just isn't the onerous racist policy you make it out to be that you should present an ID to vote. I'm way off to the left BTW.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by crafoo on Saturday December 01 2018, @12:16AM (1 child)
Why are you calling illegal invaders (criminals) "imports"? I take the points you are making but we should call them what they are.
I'm generally for immigration as long as it's legal and the applications bring something to the country, and are willing to fully integrate into USA culture. Meaning they value what this nation stands for: personal freedom, self-determination and actualization, and personal accountability. Citizens above government bureaucrats.
I wonder though. These so-called third world shitholes: if we siphon off all of their talent how are we not just making the illegal immigration (invasion) problem worse? Why can't we help build up this talent in-place, making their country a desirable place to live, and even to relocate to?
This article seems highly-motivated by global corprotists who simply want to depress domestic wages and stripe-mine nations.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @07:32AM
I am calling the illegal immigrants imports because we could stop them if we wanted to, but there are interested forces in this country that harbor and employ them.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @05:42PM
yes, american kids are trained to be prisoners or consumerist slaves in "schools"/indoctrination centers while the "leaders" of the country purposely flood it with ignorant third world slaves, destroying any chance of the people recovering the nation politically. this is the obvious plan of the NWO that has been underway for decades now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:19PM
Lawl, whattup Kanye?
"As a black American, I fully support ending all immigration into the United States"
So illegal immigration is A-OK? H1B visas are great? You're so full of shit, most likely another liar trying to sway opinion through identity. Your post is riddled with supposition, opinion, and bad facts.
I'm not surprised to see you modded up, you basically just hit all the emotional buttons of the conservative crew here.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday December 01 2018, @12:23AM
First, President Trump came posting here, now we have Ben Carson. Good.
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