The hits just keep coming for the various Defenders series. Per Deadline Hollywood, Netflix announced this evening that it has canceled Daredevil, just weeks after the show concluded its critically acclaimed third season. This news shouldn't be too surprising, but this one is a particularly tough blow for fans.
Clearly Netflix is cleaning house, since this follows surprise cancellations in October of Iron Fist and Luke Cage. That just leaves Jessica Jones and The Punisher on Netflex's[sic] roster of Defenders. Both have new seasons in the pipeline that are currently slated to air on Netflix as planned, according to Deadline's sources. But they will, in all likelihood, be on the chopping block eventually as well.
Marvel/Disney may be planning to revive the Defender series on its upcoming streaming service.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:43PM (4 children)
Iron Fist: I didn't even bother watching it.
Luke Cage: Honestly even with your Black Panther disclaimer you come off pretty biased. I wouldn't quite say racist though you bump up to those edges, more like cultural bias. The show is set in an urban ghetto type neighborhood and addresses lots of issues around there. I felt like it promoted better values while addressing the cultural reality. Most likely this is just an uncomfortable reality and your narrow cultural view has you labeling it "It was very clear this show was aimed at the lower socio-economic levels, and used these things to try to resonate with them." Basically it appeals to a different cultural context than your own so you shit on it while praising Jessica Jones. I liked JJ a little more than LC but not by that much, they are pretty similar and JJ has TONS of angst as it is baked into her very character. So you like Black Panther because it is more aristocratic, a point made quite clear by your dismissal of the leadership fight which has a lot of cultural background and specific value in that context.
Jessica Jones: super angsty, but at least she is a PI which much better fits the hero ideal. She has her own stupidity with trying to do everything herself, but hey that REALLY fits the "individual responsibility" tropes that go around here.
Daredevil: you complain about a lack of character development, then get angry that they do character development that you just don't personally like? Gee, a more realistic approach to heroes and the emotional trauma they go through doesn't fit the standard comic book hero ideal.
Of course you like Firefly. Everyone does, but given your responses here I am SO NOT SURPRISED to see you like the embodiment of Libertarian Space Opera.
I don't think you're racist so don't get bent out of shape, but I do think your opinions are based on a pretty narrow slice of culture and you do have bias against cultures that don't fit the western ideal. I will applaud Netflix for attempting a more realistic set of Hero series and delving into the darker aspects of "beating up bad guys". I think it is a good thing they are canceling the shows before they collapse on their own, and the dark angsty hero concept is definitely being overloaded.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @09:17PM (3 children)
That is precisely correct. I am culturally biased. In favor of education, communication, common ground, and rational behavior. I'm about as far from racist as you can get - I'm perfectly comfortable with people regardless of their race. I am considerably less comfortable with people who embrace self-destructive behaviors, values, and related mindsets. Again, regardless of their race.
FYI, I spent many years growing up just a few blocks north of Harlem, in NYC. My (present) cultural context, as you put it, is one that puts that garbage as far behind me as I can get it — because it sucked. Profoundly. I don't encourage it, lionize it, or promote it and I'm very comfortable speaking out against it. Again, because it sucked. I was there. I'm not guessing. I know.
Culture is not automatically of value just because it's culture. It's valuable when it advances the individual, the local group, the people at large. Small cliques that self-isolate within the larger context are bad. Pretty much uniformly so.
Absolutely wrong. Feel free to try again.
What happened to those shows wasn't character development. That was character erosion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @12:02AM (2 children)
Now you gone done it!
I met someone else who said it was a "cultural" thing, but that is basically code for racism these days. Sorry to break it to ya, but you're lumping a population of over 100k into one box of gangs/violence. That is almost THE definition of racism, but at least you supposedly don't go for the genetic racism, just the cultural.
Yeah, little of that to be found in any of the shows, and Luke Cage wasn't much different. Your cultural bias is the first extension of racism, just think about how you are saying no one in Harlem has your quoted traits. That is fucked up pal.
So you're just a prejudiced asshole who would judge someone severely for using a double negative or any other indicator for "lacks education". I didn't see any glorification of bad values, maybe you just didn't watch the show through to the end and made some assumptions?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Saturday December 01 2018, @06:14PM (1 child)
No. I'm lumping one culture - the culture in harlem and spanish harlem I grew up with - into a "holy shit, this was a horribly violent, ignorant and vicious environment" box, because it was, regardless of the exceptions - including me - who lived there, or the exceptional cultural elements.
The jazz and blues prevalent there were great, for instance, and both figured prominently once you managed to get in the door and off the street. One of the reasons I was so thoroughly exposed to the problems I'm talking about was because I insisted on going to see those things. Should I have hidden inside instead, out of "respect" (actually fear) for the dominant street culture there? Or was I right to think it should be okay for me to go watch Billy Cobham?
The culture - not the exceptions to it, but the overall culture of violence and ignorance and hostility - was massively toxic and dangerous. Existence on the street was a continuous experience of being challenged, threatened, attacked, stolen from, catcalled and so forth. The slang, the things that grew from it like "cap that bitch", "rappers" shooting each other and so on, all that grew from that toxic set of underpinnings.
The problems didn't arise because the majority of those people were black, or of Hispanic descent; they arose because the people in the area who owned the streets adopted horrible ideas and then acted on them; this is what the kids saw and it made for a very strong influence on them, enough to keep the situation constantly bad. Our history is replete with examples of individuals who lifted themselves up out of that kind of area and abandoned those approaches to life. It's nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with deciding you're a good person, not a bloody thug. And deciding that means you're stepping away from the violence and related malfuckery (and there's a lot that's related) and becoming a positive influence on society. Insular preconceptions based on toxic cultural inertia work mightily against this, hence I object, strongly, to them. When the question comes down to do we want the nation to become more like the ghettos, or the ghettos more like the nation, I think the answer is obvious. Because I've lived there, and I evaluate the street mindset there as utterly unworthy of emulation.
That's absolutely ridiculous. Culture isn't race. Objecting to a culture isn't uncommon or unreasonable in and of itself. Do you object to a culture that forces women to cover their faces? How about one that cuts their clitoris off as a baby? If these kinds of things are okay with you (you're sick, but) I'm sure I could find something in some culture that would make you say "wow, that's a terrible cultural element, that should be disposed of." That's exactly what I'm saying. The things I've identified are toxic in my estimation, and consequently they should be disposed of. They have little or no merit in the larger culture they are embedded in, in fact are corrosive to it and harmful to people in general, and encouraging them for any reason is a terrible mistake.
I didn't say that. You're erecting a straw man. I said the culture there was toxic, by which I (obviously) meant that it had strong, in fact dominant, toxic elements. It was. That's a fact, not a comment on every individual living there. I go further in the same direction and state that a lot of what has grown out of those cultural elements is just as strong, and just as toxic, and just as unworthy of any responsible citizen.
Sigh. We all are prejudiced against the things we find unacceptable. We have quite literally taken a stand against them in our minds. The distinction of being an "asshole" in that regard pretty much depends on what those things are. I find interpersonal violence, threats, and hobbling communication to be unacceptable. Any culture (cultural element) that embraces these things within the containing meta-culture, I'm going to take a stand against. If that makes me an "asshole" in your eyes, I can live with that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @08:05PM
no. no. no. having standards is morally wrong. you're supposed to embrace toxic propaganda and inferior humans into your line. how else will our masters continue diluting us into a gelatinous pool of retarded self destruction.