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posted by martyb on Wednesday December 12 2018, @12:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the Third-Verse-Same-As-The-First dept.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288

"Prime Minister Theresa May has called off Tuesday's crucial vote on her Brexit deal so she can go back to Brussels and ask for changes to it.

"As it stands the deal 'would be rejected by a significant margin' if MPs voted on it, she admitted."

The biggest stumbling block appears to be the issue between Ireland and Northern Ireland. In particular, what the borders will look like in terms of what people and goods will need to do or not do in order to cross it.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by PiMuNu on Wednesday December 12 2018, @05:06PM

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday December 12 2018, @05:06PM (#773528)

    > because sovereignty

    Let me help:

    1. The EU has massive legislative power. They can't raise taxes or an army (yet) but otherwise they have as much or more power than the member state governments.

    2. The EU is run by a group of unelected politicians. They are nominated by a political elite. I realise most of the nominators represent a political party that has been elected, but that does not really cut the mustard. People who wield such legislative power should be directly elected.

    3. The directly elected house has little power, which is reflected in a general disinterest from the electorate in the EU elections.

    4. There is no one running the EU. The rotating EU presidency thing is a pile of crap. (Have you ever tried working in an organisation with no meaningful leadership? Imagine if there was no one in charge of your workplace, do you think anything would ever happen?)

    Compare that with, say, the UK system, where I vote for members of the house of commons, who set out a legislative program in their manifesto and broadly speaking carry it out. I know that when I vote for *x* party, I am going to get this person or that person running the show and this or that legislative program.

    As a case in point: the GDPR has had an absolutely massive impact on every aspect of everyone's life, bigger than pretty much any piece of legislation going through British parliament. Where did it come from? Was it set out in anyone's manifesto? I didn't see it anywhere. Where was the discussion? I knew about it from e.g. this site, but I bet others had not a clue.

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