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posted by martyb on Wednesday December 12 2018, @12:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the Third-Verse-Same-As-The-First dept.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288

"Prime Minister Theresa May has called off Tuesday's crucial vote on her Brexit deal so she can go back to Brussels and ask for changes to it.

"As it stands the deal 'would be rejected by a significant margin' if MPs voted on it, she admitted."

The biggest stumbling block appears to be the issue between Ireland and Northern Ireland. In particular, what the borders will look like in terms of what people and goods will need to do or not do in order to cross it.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by NewNic on Wednesday December 12 2018, @06:16PM (5 children)

    by NewNic (6420) on Wednesday December 12 2018, @06:16PM (#773580) Journal

    Yeah, those people in Sunderland will really benefit when Nissan shuts down the assembly line there.

    Those who voted for Brexit were lied to.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by rleigh on Wednesday December 12 2018, @09:58PM (3 children)

    by rleigh (4887) on Wednesday December 12 2018, @09:58PM (#773712) Homepage

    While I certainly hope that it's not shut down, there's another side to this. Do you think it's acceptable for a single company to blackmail an entire nation purely for its own supply chain convenience? There are hundreds of thousands of companies in the UK. The vast majority do not trade internationally, they trade domestically. And yet, they are tied to obey EU rules put into UK law, despite not selling their goods into the EU. And they are the vast majority of employers in the UK. Your argument is that globalism is more important, but it's being used as a justification for screwing over the vast majority of workers in this country. Why should Nissan get special treatment? They employ a lot of people, certainly. But overall it's quite small compared with the number employed by the thousands of small companies out there. And yet, all these small companies have zero representation at the highest levels of government while the likes of Nissan do. It's not fair or equitable, and nor is it democratic when the nation as a whole voted to leave the EU. The needs of a small number of globalist interests should not thwart democracy.

    • (Score: 2) by NewNic on Wednesday December 12 2018, @11:10PM (2 children)

      by NewNic (6420) on Wednesday December 12 2018, @11:10PM (#773759) Journal

      1. Most people work for large companies, all of which trade internationally to some degree.
      2. You have to show that the overall balance of EU membership is bad even for small companies that do not trade internationally. I think that the impact of EU membership on small companies is either positive or very slightly negative.

      Why should Nissan get special treatment?

      They should not. But neither should the people who depend on Nissan and who voted for Brexit.

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      • (Score: 2) by rleigh on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:09AM (1 child)

        by rleigh (4887) on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:09AM (#773923) Homepage

        This is wrong. Most people *don't* work for large companies. The vast majority of workers in the country are, and always have been, sole traders and small businesses. This has become even more true with zero-hours contracts and "gig" jobs, where contractors are the norm.

        The misplaced prioritisation of "big" businesses over everyone else is one of the travesties of our time.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:53AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:53AM (#773930)

          Most people *don't* work for large companies. [..] This has become even more true with zero-hours contracts and "gig" jobs, where contractors are the norm.

          This is laughable, and only true on paper. The gig economy is all about low-income people working multinational corporations, receiving peanuts for salary and even less job security.

          I agree that the misplaced prioritisation of "big" businesses is a travesty, but the gig economy is a part of that, not the solution.

  • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Wednesday December 12 2018, @10:03PM

    by shortscreen (2252) on Wednesday December 12 2018, @10:03PM (#773717) Journal

    I don't think GP's post tells the whole story but there is some truth to it. However, you missed the point.

    Of course, the suits are always in a position to make the peons feel the pain when the suits don't get their way. That is how their sales pitch always works. "Do what we want, and you may get some table scraps. Try to tax or regulate us... and we will lay people off, we will relocate, we will sue, and your retirement money (that we had laws written to incentivize you to put into the stock market) will shrink."

    The peons went along with this until now. Now some peons are saying "enough is enough, we're going to burn down your mansion even if it means the fire may spread to our shanty."