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posted by martyb on Wednesday December 12 2018, @12:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the Third-Verse-Same-As-The-First dept.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288

"Prime Minister Theresa May has called off Tuesday's crucial vote on her Brexit deal so she can go back to Brussels and ask for changes to it.

"As it stands the deal 'would be rejected by a significant margin' if MPs voted on it, she admitted."

The biggest stumbling block appears to be the issue between Ireland and Northern Ireland. In particular, what the borders will look like in terms of what people and goods will need to do or not do in order to cross it.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Dr Spin on Wednesday December 12 2018, @09:22PM (3 children)

    by Dr Spin (5239) on Wednesday December 12 2018, @09:22PM (#773689)

    The vote happened, UK should leave the EU and go back to whatever situation existed before or negotiate new treaties with everyone. Why is this taking so long? It seems like rejection of democracy.

    • Marginally more voted for leave after a campaign in which the illegally funded leave proponents lied and lied and lied.
    • The world is substantially different from how it was then, and the UK massively benefits from being accepted as having the same technical/trading standards as the rest of the EU, which was not formerly the case. Will our nuts and bolts interchange with the rest of the EU after Brexit? we need an answer.
    • No resolution of most of the issues, even if the resolution is "sure we will agree to EU standards, although we no longer have a say in setting them" (the most sensible option, but clearly politically unacceptable to almost everyone) means no trade. As we import 75% of our food (other figures exist - it it % by units, value, pallet loads? Who cares), no trade means, in essence, no food.
    • Brexit will not return sovereignty to the UK citizens, from an "undemocratic EU" (we elect Euro MPs, Farage is even one of them) it will "return sovereignty" to self-opinionated idiots like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg.
    • It is taking "so long" because the UK negotiators cannot agree amongst themselves what they want, since it is clear to most of them that their "demands" are mostly stupid. Unfortunately they don't agree which ones. This applies equally to prospective trade agreements with other parties than the EU.

    In short, as has been observed by outsiders with an axe to grind: "Brexit is not the UK shooting itself in the foot - they are shooting much higher than that". The reality is, the alternative to Brexit is having food to eat. However, reality is not acceptable to people in high places.

    Disclaimer: yes I do have experience of international transport logistics and the food distribution industry.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @12:14AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @12:14AM (#773794)

    Meh, sounds like chicken littling from the usual suspects. Just leave the EU and keep everything exactly the same then change the policies/treaties one by one then.

    Also, the government shouldnt be in charge of the food supply for your entire nation to begin with, that is a bad idea...

    • (Score: 1) by mmarujo on Monday December 17 2018, @01:07PM

      by mmarujo (347) on Monday December 17 2018, @01:07PM (#775373)

      That's the thing!

      Those traties were not signed by the UK, they were signed by the EU, meaning once the UK leaves it will no long have access to them

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @03:21AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @03:21AM (#773866)

    Marginally more voted for leave after a campaign in which the illegally funded leave proponents lied and lied and lied.

    Oh, we're blaming the "wrong" choice in the Brexit referendum on the Rrrussians now too?