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martyb
on Wednesday December 12 2018, @12:37PM
from the Third-Verse-Same-As-The-First dept.
from the Third-Verse-Same-As-The-First dept.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288
"Prime Minister Theresa May has called off Tuesday's crucial vote on her Brexit deal so she can go back to Brussels and ask for changes to it.
"As it stands the deal 'would be rejected by a significant margin' if MPs voted on it, she admitted."
The biggest stumbling block appears to be the issue between Ireland and Northern Ireland. In particular, what the borders will look like in terms of what people and goods will need to do or not do in order to cross it.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by boxrick on Wednesday December 12 2018, @10:13PM (2 children)
I don't understand anyones logic describing the EU as 'The third reich' or calling it undemocratic.
The EU is literally in every sense of the word more democratic than the majority of the positions of power in the UK. The people in charge and power are voted for multiple times by representatives of each and every country, in our own case we have a much larger say than many.
The UK currently has more or less control over everything that people wish to gain from leaving the EU, or own government simply chooses not to use those powers. So it is the UK Government NOT the EU which should be taking flack for this.
We stand to lose massive benefits in every respect for generations because of this nonsense, from protections of freedom, to stopping large companies taking advantage of us, free travel, huge investments in areas the UK government has no care or want for, minimum standards on food quality, we lose workers rights guaranteed by the EU, environmental protections meaning that companies can not dump waste and rubbish not to mention all the free trade we will be losing which benefits each of us every day in the daily shopping and purchases we buy.
Does the UK really want to look more like the US? Controlled by corporations where people have no work guarantees or protections, healthcare. We have a wonderful country and such a good position right now and we are throwing it out of the window for some pre-concieved notion that we have no control, when in fact we have all the control on the things which matter and all the protection offered by the EU.
(Score: 3, Informative) by rleigh on Wednesday December 12 2018, @10:20PM
I disagree with your arguments about the EU being democratic. Go and research its organisation and power structures. There's a huge democratic deficit. It's the root cause for much of our dissatisfaction.
"Does the UK really want to look more like the US?" Yes. Because we already *are* much more like the US. Unlike most of Europe, we don't have a Civil Law system, we have Common Law. We are in many ways much more closely aligned with the US outlook and ways of doing things than we are with Europe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @12:29AM
You are assuming everything will stay exactly the same and the English are unable to make laws and have nothing but chaos when they leave the EU and their existing laws are 'gone'. I think they can manage it. Do not think so huh? Well you can go re-read the summary and see how the process works. They should be arguing how to do this. They are required to. It is not an easy problem to crack.
They also have huge amounts of capital and land. They are only second in the EU to Germany in how much they own. They have all of the cards and are acting like they are the losers. The EU needs England way more than England needs them. The EU is going to act pouty and make this as hard as possible because the knew who was funding a lot of their pet programs.
Yes it will be 'scary'. But I 100% promise you they will figure it out. Even if the EU decides to pout like a scorned school girl.