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posted by takyon on Monday December 31 2018, @07:49PM   Printer-friendly
from the promote-the-useful-arts dept.

From Motherboard

When the clock strikes midnight on New Year's Eve, movies, songs, and books created in the United States in 1923—even beloved cartoons such as Felix the Cat—will be eligible for anyone to adapt, repurpose, or distribute as they please.

A 20-year freeze on copyright expirations has prevented a cache of 1923 works from entering the public domain, including Paramount Pictures' The Ten Commandments, Charlie Chaplin's The Pilgrim, and novels by Aldous Huxley.

Such a massive release of iconic works is unprecedented, experts say—especially in the digital age, as the last big dump predated Google.

In 2013, Paul Heald, a law professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, conducted a survey of books for sale on Amazon. He found that more books were for sale from the 1880s than the 1980s.


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @09:04PM (27 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @09:04PM (#780385)

    It is too bad that anything written before 1985 is unreadable crap. /s

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  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 31 2018, @10:11PM (20 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 31 2018, @10:11PM (#780402) Journal

    That statement suggests to me that you are illiterate. You're not capable of reading print and/or cursive on dead tree skin? In effect you've tossed out everything ever written by the Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, and all those savages from the colder parts of Europe. China is right out the window (watch your head, Sun Tzu!!) along with those South American and African peoples whose little-understood written traditions we barely understand.

    If you can't find worthy titles to read that were published before some arbitrary date like 1985, it can only mean that you are illiterate.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @10:15PM (13 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @10:15PM (#780403)

      Wrong. It could also mean that he's a millennial asshole.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @10:30PM (11 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @10:30PM (#780407)

        > ... he's a millennial asshole
        , who had to read some literature in school, and didn't like it.

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday December 31 2018, @10:52PM (10 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 31 2018, @10:52PM (#780416) Journal

          Well, I remember hating "Crime and Punishment", "The Idiot", and "Jude the Obscure". Horrible classics. I also, however, didn't like "Moby Dick", and many people assure me that's really an excellent book.

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          • (Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Monday December 31 2018, @11:43PM (7 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Monday December 31 2018, @11:43PM (#780432) Journal

            Hating classic literature says more about you than it does about the corpus. I suppose you do not like Homer, either? Homer, of the Iliad and the Odyssey, not Homer Simpson.

            • (Score: 2) by jelizondo on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:08AM (1 child)

              by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:08AM (#780441) Journal

              Hating some classics does not mean hating all...

              I've spent about 50 years reading everything I can get my hands on, an average of a book every 4 to 6 weeks. From Plato to Smolin, passing thru saint Thomas Aquinas, Yates, Steinbeck, Paz, García Márquez and many others.

              However I never made it past page 17 of Moby Dick. I tried many times, it was like swallowing sand.

              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:45AM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:45AM (#780456) Journal

                Really! I read the tale of the White Whale shortly after Melville published, and found it fascinating. Of course, it is a series of long digressions about life at sea and any number of other things, which I found almost philosophical. Perhaps it might be good to take a look at Melville's other works? Like Typee [gutenberg.org]?

                Sand must be swallowed slowly, but it sticks with you. On the other hand, the millennial asshole who discards anything pre-1985 is dismissing all classics, so even Runaway's accusation of illiteracy is on the mark.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:26AM (3 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:26AM (#780472) Journal

              I suppose you do not like Homer, either? Homer, of the Iliad and the Odyssey...

              Oh, kid, explainable; it would take about 3 centuries for the two poems to be transcribed in textual form.
              You see, blind as he was, Homer must have hated written literature himself (grin)

              (minor point: don't be that dismissive, magister. Exceptional acts of creation may occur even from non formally-educated authors. Yes, it happens quite infrequent, but it happens)

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              • (Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Tuesday January 01 2019, @09:20AM (2 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @09:20AM (#780586) Journal

                Even in my time there were rhapsodes, with the entire poems committed to memory. The "text" is not the glyphs, it is the text itself, and very many oral cultures have very many texts that only exist in the transmission of Kumu to student. But if our young millennial hater of literature hates the inscribed text, how much more must he/she hate the text that one must dedicate years to memorizing? Sing to me, Muses, of the polytropic man. . . See, it starts like that, and it goes on. The telling of the story is the main thing. And the story goes on.


                ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
                πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν:
                πολλῶν δ᾽ ἀνθρώπων ἴδεν ἄστεα καὶ νόον ἔγνω,
                πολλὰ δ᾽ ὅ γ᾽ ἐν πόντῳ πάθεν ἄλγεα ὃν κατὰ θυμόν,
                5ἀρνύμενος ἥν τε ψυχὴν καὶ νόστον ἑταίρων.

                Rather like this:

                ἔνθ᾽ ἄλλοι μὲν πάντες, ὅσοι φύγον αἰπὺν ὄλεθρον,
                οἴκοι ἔσαν, πόλεμόν τε πεφευγότες ἠδὲ θάλασσαν:
                τὸν δ᾽ οἶον νόστου κεχρημένον ἠδὲ γυναικὸς
                νύμφη πότνι᾽ ἔρυκε Καλυψὼ δῖα θεάων
                15ἐν σπέσσι γλαφυροῖσι, λιλαιομένη πόσιν εἶναι.
                ἀλλ᾽ ὅτε δὴ ἔτος ἦλθε περιπλομένων ἐνιαυτῶν,
                τῷ οἱ ἐπεκλώσαντο θεοὶ οἶκόνδε νέεσθαι
                εἰς Ἰθάκην, οὐδ᾽ ἔνθα πεφυγμένος ἦεν ἀέθλων
                καὶ μετὰ οἷσι φίλοισι. θεοὶ δ᾽ ἐλέαιρον ἅπαντες
                20νόσφι Ποσειδάωνος: ὁ δ᾽ ἀσπερχὲς μενέαινεν
                ἀντιθέῳ Ὀδυσῆι πάρος ἣν γαῖαν ἱκέσθαι.

                What? There are Soylentils who do not read Greek? Well I expected as much from Runaway, or Bradley12, or khallow, but try to have some culture, people!

                • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @11:42AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @11:42AM (#780598)

                  I am very much a fan of oral

                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by fritsd on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:43PM

                  by fritsd (4586) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:43PM (#780610) Journal

                  how the fuck are you meant to intonate polla d ho g en pontooi?? the daktylos is like a skeleton tapping his fingers on the table and losing the rhythm.

                  Personally, I'm a big fan of drs. P's rhyming meter "ollekebolleke" [wikipedia.org], apparently it's similar to a double dactyl [wikipedia.org], but with one mandatory six-syllable word. I'm well impressed with people who can rhyme like that. If those rhymes are also rememberable for 500 years or longer is of course not tested yet.

                  Eeh.. can hardly read the small print on a photo of a page of drs. P's own version of Odyssey.. here goes..

                  Was u in 't buitenland?
                  Slechte verbindingen?
                  En de verzorging
                  niet steeds als verwacht?

                  Lees dan oplettend dit
                  surrealistische
                  reisverslag
                  ooit door Homeros bedacht.

            • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday January 01 2019, @02:01AM

              by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 01 2019, @02:01AM (#780486) Journal

              Actually I found the Iliad OK, the Odyssey a bit better, but I really liked Metamorphosis.

              However consider the topic of the ones I listed as disliking. I have a strong distaste for downers whether ancient or modern.

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          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:09AM (1 child)

            by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:09AM (#780442)

            By contrast, I absolutely loved "War and Peace": The opening party scene was a bit too slow for my tastes, but once it was past that it got really fun really fast, especially when Napoleon shows up.

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            • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday January 01 2019, @02:05AM

              by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 01 2019, @02:05AM (#780488) Journal

              It's got some really good point, alright. But my point was that just disliking the "classic literature" you get exposed to doesn't say much without saying *which* literature (and often even which translation) you disliked. There are versions of Dante's "Inferno" that I really like, but other translations leave me wishing the guy hadn't written it.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @10:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31 2018, @10:50PM (#780415)

        I vote this.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by krishnoid on Monday December 31 2018, @11:16PM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Monday December 31 2018, @11:16PM (#780426)

      It includes 1984, so it's probably not arbitrary :-P

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by krishnoid on Monday December 31 2018, @11:19PM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Monday December 31 2018, @11:19PM (#780429)

      D'oh [urbandictionary.com].

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @12:00AM (#780439)

      Well you are a Navy man according to your back story so I'm not surprised that plane whooshed right over your head.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:13AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:13AM (#780469) Journal

      You're not capable of reading print and/or cursive on dead tree skin?

      Haven't you hear of audio-books, pops?
      Why, they are as old as culture - no less than Odyssey and Iliad were first published as such.

      (large grin)

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    • (Score: 2) by Kalas on Tuesday January 01 2019, @06:44AM

      by Kalas (4247) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @06:44AM (#780564)

      How on earth did this get voted to +5? I can get maybe one person (you in this case) skimming over the "/s" and taking that statement at face value but it's surprising to see so many other replies here that completely miss the sarcasm.
      It should be pretty clear the AC was mocking such young fools who can't see the value in the classics. (I refuse to use the term millenial because it's abused to the point of losing meaning.)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @11:20AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @11:20AM (#780596)

      lol and you can't read a /s?

  • (Score: 2) by ledow on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:02AM (2 children)

    by ledow (5567) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:02AM (#780461) Homepage

    Dickens.
    Tolkien.
    H G Wells.

    All "popular" writings, some intended for children! Just because our literary standards and schooling have dropped enormously since doesn't mean they are inaccessible.

    I agree in some respects, where things are Shakespeare are unreadable and uninterpretable without significant investment in the text, background, literature, history, etc.

    I would argue that anything SINCE 1985 has a lower signal-to-noise than that which comes before it.

    Don't even get me started on The Martian, anything by Dan Brown, Harry Potter and that Fifty Shades rubbish.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:09AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:09AM (#780465)

    It is too bad that anything written before 1985 is unreadable crap. /s

    /s. Short for sarcastic.
    1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to express contempt or ridicule.
    2. A form of wit characterized by the use of such remarks: detected a hint of sarcasm in his voice.

  • (Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:28AM (1 child)

    by SpockLogic (2762) on Tuesday January 01 2019, @01:28AM (#780474)

    <sarcasm>It is too bad that anything written before 1985 is unreadable crap.</sarcasm>

    Clearer now?

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 01 2019, @02:57AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 01 2019, @02:57AM (#780501) Journal
      Sorry no. I still can't see through my screen. I think this "sarcasm" thing is overrated!