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posted by martyb on Thursday January 03 2019, @04:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the now-you-see-it-now-you-don't dept.

Wired Magazine has an article that some might find interesting.

I was at what should have been a farmers’ market in Berkeley, California, last year when a throng of black-clad antifascists tried to scrap it out with far-right ralliers in the middle of a park named after Martin Luther King Jr. I watched scrawny college students get pummeled by hulking, be-swastika-ed ex-soldiers and ex-law enforcement officers in motorcycle gear. The antifascists’ one reprisal was setting off a homemade smoke bomb, which promptly blew back into their own faces, drawing raucous jeering from the white supremacists. It was as close to a war zone as I ever hope to be, and it was unequivocally a win for the racists.

But then,

It was easy to imagine the Bay Area becoming an extremist battleground—each weekend an opportunity for the next rally turned riot.

That vision has not come to pass. In the long arc of American racism, 2017 saw a sudden spike in visibility, but it was not the beginning of a new era in which people routinely walk the streets advertising their white supremacy. This year has brought the opposite trend: 2018 has been a year of pushing the alt-right and other white nationalist groups back underground, and punishing them for misdeeds committed during their brief moment in the sun. That’s a testament to the strength of the backlash against 2017’s naked racism, and evidence of how costly being openly racist has become—especially on the internet, where it has doomed entire social media platforms to obscurity. This must be counted as a good thing.

Goebbels said, allegedly, "Even if we lose we will win, because our enemies have adopted our methods." Looks like the alt-right is losing.

Regardless of what scaremonger reporters might espouse, the alt-right, as we have come to know it over the last two years, has failed—as extremism researchers always knew it would. But in its place has come something shadowier and far older: an underground white supremacist movement operating on society’s fringes, and a culture that disavows the racists while quietly mainstreaming their ideas.

So here's the point:

The issue, though, is that while there’s satisfaction and schadenfreude in watching these public flounderings, the alt-right doesn’t have to be visible to succeed. In fact, going underground is a return to the status quo for American white supremacy.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03 2019, @04:34PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03 2019, @04:34PM (#781527)

    going underground is a return to the status quo for American white supremacy.

    I think most people would be happy if the white supremacists went about six feet underground. Not trolling, just stating a fact. Don't forget that WWII was about stopping the German white supremacists. Tens of millions of people died in that effort. Hopefully we don't have to make that large of a sacrifice next time.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03 2019, @04:46PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03 2019, @04:46PM (#781536)

    Actually, WWII was about stopping German conquest, and only reluctantly for America, which only entered the war after it was attacked by Japan. The actual ideas of racial supremacy and eugenics were quite popular in America, and the full extent of the Holocaust was not widely known until after the war.

    The end result of WWII was that America got to dominate the Western world by setting up institutions it controlled, achieving a greater conquest than Germany could have ever dreamed of. A fine prize in return for the millions of patriot losers thrown into the meat grinder.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03 2019, @07:17PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 03 2019, @07:17PM (#781626)

      Summary: World War II was not about the Jews.
      If you were Jewish, it was bad, but it was not a factor in the West entering the war.
      GP poster shows the propaganda has left him misinformed.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @03:34AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @03:34AM (#781884)

        GP poster shows the propaganda has left him misinformed.

        Sorry, but no. If you think the atrocious against the Jewish people were the only thing that made the nazis "alt-right" then you are misinformed.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @06:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @06:16AM (#781939)

        And the American Civil War, oh, sorry, the War of Northern Aggression, was not about slavery, either. And "Wrecking Ball" was not about Miley Cyrus. So there.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by meustrus on Thursday January 03 2019, @07:45PM

      by meustrus (4961) on Thursday January 03 2019, @07:45PM (#781644)

      Then America and the USSR entered a cold-war whose only safe front was a war of propaganda. Only after that happened did America start cleaning out its own evils, and only because racial violence and poverty were being used in Soviet propaganda to show that the west was a terrible place.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @01:20PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @01:20PM (#782015)

    "Don't forget that WWII was about stopping the German white supremacists."

    Re-writing history, are we?

    WW2 was about stopping jewish marxism virus from invading, pillaging and corrupting healthy society.

    But the jewish marxists won, thanks to you 'murricans and misinformed victims of marxist jewry.

    Now they give you financial crisis after crisis and death in faraway lands and your president fellates them daily.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @04:01PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @04:01PM (#782076)

      If by Jewish Marxism you mean movements influenced by Leon Trotsky and Rosa Luxemburg, then you're objectively wrong. The Freikorps captured and executed Rosa Luxemburg after the Sparticist Uprising failed (after the November Revolution failed), Stalin betrayed the October Revolution and purged the Trotskyists, and that was that. They're tenacious, though, and the Trotskyists and views sympathetic to Luxemburg can be found over at wswswswswsws [wsws.org].

      If by Jewish Marxism you mean neoliberalism, then drill baby drill!

      (But I think you do not know what you mean.)

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @09:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 04 2019, @09:39PM (#782244)

        Jews (khazar) are responsible for all the ills of this world.