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posted by martyb on Sunday January 06 2019, @08:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the stopped-clock dept.

Securityweek has a look at the bits of HR1 with digital election security implications running:

The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives has unveiled its first Bill: HR1, dubbed the 'For the People Act'. It has little chance of getting through the Republican-controlled Congress, and even less chance of being signed into law by President Trump.

Nevertheless, HR1 lays down a marker for current Democrat intentions; and it is likely that some of the potentially bi-partisan elements could be spun out into separate bills with a greater chance of progress.

One of these is likely to include the section on election security. This has been a major issue since the meddling by Russian-state hackers in the 2016 presidential election, and the subsequent realization on how easy it would be for interested parties (both foreign hackers and local activists) to influence election outcomes.

I'm all for secure and accountable elections but the feds are going to need to be careful and deliberate in what they mandate vs. what they place conditions for funding on. They do have significant authority as far as election laws go but their power is more deep than broad; most specifics are legally up to the states. Just because something is a good idea doesn't mean they currently have the legal authority necessary to do it.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday January 06 2019, @09:23PM (22 children)

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday January 06 2019, @09:23PM (#782852)

    What are the Democrats going to do about the Republicans who lose an election, but make sure they prevent the incoming Democrat from exercising any power?

    Gerrymandering and suppressing minority voters are Republican stock in trade, and are anti-democratic but it looks like a coup in Wisconsin.

    Read this before you tell me how wrong I am, OK? [nytimes.com]

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 06 2019, @09:29PM (6 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 06 2019, @09:29PM (#782857) Journal

    I live in that state, and am disgusted to the depths of my soul with this. But nothing can stop it. I don't think anyone ever imagined this level of partisan pettiness when the system was being set up. Walker ought to be dropped off a goddamn cliff for this, with Vos dropped directly on top of him.

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    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 06 2019, @10:31PM (3 children)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 06 2019, @10:31PM (#782884) Homepage Journal

      In a conversation with a colleague he asked her "What church do you go to?"

      "I'm Jewish."

      "You're a Jew? I thought they killed them all."

      She abruptly quit her job then moved to California.

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      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @01:56AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @01:56AM (#782970)

        Then she tried to get a new job through Soggy Jobs, premiere fake job board, but as it turned out all the jobs are fake.

        The former teacher is homeless now. She lives under a bridge, eats out of a dumpster, and washes herself with wet wipes.

        Yet another life destroyed by Michael David Crawford.

        Fuck MDC

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 08 2019, @03:14AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 08 2019, @03:14AM (#783543)

          I'm from Wisconsin, and that's where I'm going to stay until my children are done with college.
          But...
          Every time I get a notification for a job, I list it on Soggy Jobs.

          FACT
          As in ...

          Fucking
          Anonymous
          Coward
          Troll

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @04:07AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @04:07AM (#783012)

        Based and redpilled.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @12:06AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @12:06AM (#782933)

      I don't think anyone ever imagined this level of partisan pettiness when the system was being set up.

      Oh please! You have to live under a rock not to see this kind of crap coming all the way from Illinois. Petty politics goes back to prehistory. In that regard, there's nothing to see here, move along. And take a trip up to Eagle River and see what people really think.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @02:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @02:11AM (#782973)

      Maybe the new governor can declare a state of emergency...

      I hope lawsuits have been filed, and that there is precedent to overturn the dead duck legislature for such egregious bullshit. But the voters should voted them out too. Weren't they up for reelection also? It's not like it's entirely hopeless or anything. Is there any opposition outside of Madison and Beloit? If not, oh well...

  • (Score: 3, Troll) by RandomFactor on Sunday January 06 2019, @09:41PM (12 children)

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 06 2019, @09:41PM (#782858) Journal

    Limiting the capabilities of the incoming politicians of the opposite party in lame duck sessions has a long and bipartisan history.

    Politics sucks, but this is hardly some new thing Republicans are doing (contrary to protestations to the contrary by impartial sources such as the NYT)

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    • (Score: 5, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday January 06 2019, @10:31PM (11 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday January 06 2019, @10:31PM (#782883)

      Can you link any examples previous to this year, or done by Democrats? I did a quick search, but couldn't find any.

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 06 2019, @10:46PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 06 2019, @10:46PM (#782886)

        How about Obama spying on, and continuing to try and remove a constitutionally elected president? All to protect his felon anointed successor.

        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:12PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:12PM (#782894)

          Maybe you wouldn't be so protective of the current POTUS if he had sexually assaulted your daughter.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @12:51AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @12:51AM (#782947)

            POTUS told this woman "better put some ice on that" after raping and biting her:
            https://juanitabroaddrick.com/ [juanitabroaddrick.com]

            Then his wife grabbed her and coldly said "thank you for all you do for my husband":
            http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Juanita.htm [apfn.org]

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:27PM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:27PM (#782904)

          Oh good lord, just take your meds. Please?

          You will feel better, really.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @02:54AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @02:54AM (#782986)

          Constitutionally elected by the Russians?

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by RandomFactor on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:15PM (3 children)

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:15PM (#782896) Journal

        There was discussion of this subject, some of its history in politics, as well as examples on a podcast [youtube.com] recently. I can't pin it down to which episode without re-listening to them (it's on my playlist while driving) which I'm not going to spend the time on. Be nice if there was a transcript, but if there is, it is hidden from the search engines.

        If you actually care or have some long trips ahead you can listen to the past dozen or so and you'll find the discussion of it (he's a fast talking Harvard Jewish conservative and actually not bad to listen to, but I like listening to talk from various sources while I'm driving and suspect YMMV considerably from mine. There are items in there which would appeal to left leaning listeners and Trump haters, but they aren't the majority.)

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        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:31PM (2 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:31PM (#782906)

          I don't have any long trips coming up, which is a shame because I have a bunch of podcasts I would like to listen too also, but I would have thought that if preventing the opposition from taking the power they had been elected to assume was a time-honoured tradition of US politics, I would be able to find some mention of the Democrats doing it somewhere on the Internet.

          I still can't.

          • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:56PM (1 child)

            by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 06 2019, @11:56PM (#782926) Journal

            'Won't', the effort to get your required level of documentation is known, but not low enough for you to do it (not unreasonable, I'm not really interested in going back through dozens of hours of podcasts either)

            Simply asserting invalidity however leaves nothing worth discussing.

            If I come across it or a similar discussion in my travels I may keep track and post it here, mostly that will mean it will have to gain legs to the point of becoming topical again.

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            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday January 07 2019, @01:07AM

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday January 07 2019, @01:07AM (#782951)

              I have genuinely done some searches to try to find any time Democrats have removed powers from incoming Republicans during lame duck sessions, but have not been able to fine a single mention anywhere.

              I can find plenty of contentious legislation passed when it arguably shouldn't, but I am now of the opinion that the awful behavior of the Wisconsin Republicans is a new low.

              Feel free to provide a link proving me wrong. If it really has happened before, maybe there's some evidence somewhere?

      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Monday January 07 2019, @08:00AM

        by RS3 (6367) on Monday January 07 2019, @08:00AM (#783083)

        I'm sick to death of partisan politics, and I'm no expert, and this might be an exception, but since you asked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benisek_v._Lamone [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 07 2019, @01:13PM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday January 07 2019, @01:13PM (#783147) Homepage Journal

        How soon we forget Tammany Hall...

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @02:43AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @02:43AM (#782984)

    Like the gerrymandering in North Carolina.

    The one that the democrats MADE in 1999.

    Republican stock in trade
    Ah blame the republicans for what the democrats did. Again.

    The democrats are not your friends. All they care about is power not helping you. Everything they are bitching about right now many have voted for and created bills to promote in the past. They are nothing more than power grabbers. Hell they wanted to impeach trump before he had even been sworn in. For doing nothing other than beating them. Do not think either 'side' is your pal. They are little more than sycophants who waste money and time with petty rules.