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Anti-vaccine nonsense spurred NY's largest outbreak in decades
Health officials in New York are cautiously optimistic that they have a large measles outbreak under control after tackling the noxious anti-vaccine myths and unfounded fears that fueled the disease's spread.
Since last fall, New York has tallied 177 confirmed cases of measles, the largest outbreak the state has seen in decades. It began with infected travelers, arriving from parts of Israel and Europe where the highly contagious disease was spreading. In New York, that spread has largely been confined to ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities. As measles rippled through those insular religious communities, health officials ran into members who were wary of outsiders as well as those who harbor harmful myths and fears about vaccines. This included the completely false-yet-pernicious belief that the measles vaccine causes autism.
To quash the outbreak, health officials met with rabbis and pediatricians in the community, who in turned urged community members to be vigilant and, above all, get vaccinated, according to The New York Times. "Good people, great parents were terrified," Rabbi Yakov Horowitz, founder of Darchei Noam yeshiva in Monsey in Rockland County, told the Times. Despite the fears, he insisted parents vaccinate their children. "They felt that I was asking to give their children something that would harm them."
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 18 2019, @08:32PM (25 children)
You obviously don't have kids.
Some day the idiotic bullshit you write is going to get you into trouble you won't have an answer for.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Sulla on Friday January 18 2019, @08:49PM
Or you know he has kids but doesn't want them to get autism resulting from Measles, which is more likely than getting autism from the MMR vaccine.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday January 18 2019, @08:50PM (16 children)
Not as much trouble as a case of the measles would be.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @12:13AM (15 children)
When the measles vaccine was first introduced the reaction of most parent's was "why?". They did not understand why anyone would bother for such a minor thing that everyone got as a child.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:37AM (10 children)
Facts get downvoted as troll constantly on soylent these days.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:00PM (9 children)
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html [cdc.gov]
So yeah, a preventable disease which can have serious complications ... but why prevent it when you can be sick and potentially die instead? Explains the drunk drivers
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:26PM (6 children)
Do you think you are disagreeing with me? I stated a simple fact about how measles used to be perceived (as not a big deal) before the fear mongering became required when their vaccines didn't work as planned (they expected eradication of measles in 1967).
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:20PM (5 children)
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @12:18AM (4 children)
It is always interesting when facts arent challenged by facts but by changing the subject. I never mentioned vaccine efficacy. I presented a simple fact that measles was not considered any more "scary" than a cold or skinned knee, etc that children commonly experience at the time vaccinations were introduced.
I also see you don't remember our previous conversations about how that graph ignores at least:
1) changing definitions of measles (replacement of clinical measles diagnosis with antibody tests)
2) changing tendencies of doctors to diagnose/report measles
3) introduction of public health campaigns meant to stop people from purposefully spreading measles amongst their children
So whatever percent can be attributed to the vaccine, it is somewhat less than what we see in that chart.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 21 2019, @01:11AM (3 children)
Good advice, you should take it since instead you wrote:
And 4) introducing irrelevant "facts" to confound the issue. None of those three are sufficient to explain the orders of magnitude drop in measles cases (and yes, I realize the next step is for you to dump several links that will confirm that argument) - especially since the same trend is seen globally every time the measles vaccine was introduced. This argument is a retread. I can't find it in Google where I corrected this nonsense before in SN (did old pages fall off the search algorithm?), but it's the same opening move. When I have time, I'll try to find the corresponding thread.
But as an aside, does anyone here believe that making the obvious point that an enormous drop in measles cases (without corresponding increases in other diseases that could be confused for measles like chicken pox) is only due to reporting difficulties and these reporting difficulties happen every time the measles vaccine is introduced to a new population?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 21 2019, @04:15AM
I thought at one point I had done a more detailed discussion of various studies that had been brought forth in such a discussion, but I guess not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @05:01AM (1 child)
There are still about 20k cases of measles like illness (no chicken pox isn't one) each year.
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=29667&page=1&cid=788467#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 21 2019, @02:58PM
Which aren't measles nor necessarily virus-related (contrary to your assertion in that post). For example, rashes from first time allergic reactions could trigger such a test with nothing infectious involved.
Rashes and fevers can come from a variety of causes and doctors in the US have long taken a stand of better safe and profitable, than sorry when it comes to medical tests. It's far easier and a bit more profitable to run a test for measles given a vague suspicion than to chance it and risk malpractice lawsuits.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:30PM (1 child)
Kids get a hell of a lot of ear infections. Measles or no measles. What's the connection to the measles?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by rleigh on Monday January 21 2019, @07:37AM
Secondary infections as a result of the measles virus. Staph is typical.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:56AM (2 children)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919948/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:08PM (1 child)
Too bad you stopped there. Because the next sentence is, they hired the P.R. firm. The Ad Men. Whose job is, talk us into liking people & things that are bad for us. And buying the things that are bad for us. And bad for our beautiful children. You've seen Mad Men, right? The Cigarettes with the Asbestos filter, and just the plain cigarettes. So many phoney Doctors -- and some real ones -- told us it was healthy. Just like that. But, with needles!!!
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:02PM
(cont) The Link about the Cigarette Ads w/Doctors. From Rupert Murdoch's magnificent news.com.au. Thank you, Rupert! news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/the-time-before-cigarettes-were-bad-for-your-health/news-story/7c3e11e6f0dc774eacbafb49f2a09078 [news.com.au]
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:13AM
Thank you. I had it, it was a nothing. An absolute nothing. In school all us kids had it -- almost all. No Vaccine. ZERO. And we grew up beautifully. 100%. They would say, get it while you're young. Because if you grow up and then get it, you look very foolish. So different today. The Doctors have to make their living. So they put dozens of Vaccines in all at once. And very soon -- autism. TINY CHILDREN ARE NOT HORSES!!!
(Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Friday January 18 2019, @08:52PM (3 children)
I always have an answer for the idiotic bullshit I write.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 18 2019, @09:03PM (1 child)
More idiotic BS, no doubt.
(Score: 2, Troll) by ikanreed on Friday January 18 2019, @09:12PM
Oh absolutely, I'm a huge fan of bullshit such as not murdering my own children.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday January 18 2019, @10:03PM
You're doing better than me then.
The people who rely on government handouts and refuse to work should be kicked out of congress.
(Score: 4, Funny) by takyon on Friday January 18 2019, @09:06PM
4/10, incomplete death threat.
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(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Friday January 18 2019, @10:49PM
Unlike you that doesn't have kids because they died of polio or measles, right?
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:28PM
Sounds like you're proposing we kill a bunch of kids by refusing to vaccinate them. Keep in mind that if we had the same incident of measles as we did in 1960, we'd have 800k cases a year and there would be a lot of deaths, permanent disability, etc.
I hope that willful stupidity isn't inheritable.
Veiled threats merely because someone disagrees with you on the internets? Very pro. ikanreed occasionally says stupid stuff on the internet. This isn't one of those times.