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posted by martyb on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the Fee-Fie-Fou-Fhum-Fideism-Falafel dept.

Commentary at Salon!

Should you believe in a God? Not according to most academic philosophers. A comprehensive survey revealed that only about 14 percent of English speaking professional philosophers are theists. As for what little religious belief remains among their colleagues, most professional philosophers regard it as a strange aberration among otherwise intelligent people. Among scientists the situation is much the same. Surveys of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, composed of the most prestigious scientists in the world, show that religious belief among them is practically nonexistent, about 7 percent.

[...] Now nothing definitely follows about the truth of a belief from what the majority of philosophers or scientists think. But such facts might cause believers discomfort. There has been a dramatic change in the last few centuries in the proportion of believers among the highly educated in the Western world. In the European Middle Ages belief in a God was ubiquitous, while today it is rare among the intelligentsia. This change occurred primarily because of the rise of modern science and a consensus among philosophers that arguments for the existence of gods, souls, afterlife and the like were unconvincing. Still, despite the view of professional philosophers and world-class scientists, religious beliefs have a universal appeal. What explains this?

[...] First, if you defend such beliefs by claiming that you have a right to your opinion, however unsupported by evidence it might be, you are referring to a political or legal right, not an epistemic one. You may have a legal right to say whatever you want, but you have epistemic justification only if there are good reasons and evidence to support your claim. If someone makes a claim without concern for reasons and evidence, we should conclude that they simply don't care about what's true. We shouldn't conclude that their beliefs are true because they are fervently held.

Another problem is that fideism—basing one's beliefs exclusively on faith—makes belief arbitrary, leaving no way to distinguish one religious belief from another. Fideism allows no reason to favor your preferred beliefs or superstitions over others. If I must accept your beliefs without evidence, then you must accept mine, no matter what absurdity I believe in. But is belief without reason and evidence worthy of rational beings? Doesn't it perpetuate the cycle of superstition and ignorance that has historically enslaved us? I agree with W.K. Clifford. "It is wrong always, everywhere and for everyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence." Why? Because your beliefs affect other people, and your false beliefs may harm them.

I am checking to see what the Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster has to say about all this.


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  • (Score: 4, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 21 2019, @12:29AM (1 child)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday January 21 2019, @12:29AM (#789244) Journal

    What do you mean, tired of getting trolled into defending believers? You yourself essentially believe the entirety of reality is Yahweh's VMWare session, more or less. Has something changed your mind since last we spoke a couple of weeks ago?

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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday January 21 2019, @02:10AM

    by Bot (3902) on Monday January 21 2019, @02:10AM (#789336) Journal

    My shifting of POV supernaturalnatural to realabstraction is simply a way to disprove the universality of concepts/reasoning that people express and talk about, like they had actual meaning. (if creation needs a creator where is the creator's creator, where is the evidence of god, impossibility of omnipotence, all the atheists tricks book basically...). In fact, that relationship is otherwise flawed in many aspects, most notably the lack of control/awareness of the creator and a time axis that influences both reality and abstraction. "god dreams creation" is a better analogy for some reasonings, but, in truth, we cannot imagine 4d and we cannot imagine the absence of time, so the supernatural remains difficult to grasp theologically and inaccessible otherwise.

    What I believe should be irrelevant to the discussion, and in fact the obvious bias against atheists is not part of any reasoning, only a pleasant subtext (insulting is soothing, as you probably experience here on SN)

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