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posted by martyb on Monday January 21 2019, @07:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the their-way-or-the-highway dept.

Michael Biebl, long-time maintainer of systemd for Debian (2010 or earlier, based on changelog.Debian.gz), is taking undetermined holidays from packaging it. The e-mail was short:

Will stop maintaining systemd in debian for a while.

What's going on is just too stupid/crazy.

This takes place after he discussed a bug in which he expected systemd to respect local settings, and not rename network devices:

@yuwata a default policy like /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link should never trump explicit user configuration.

Later he seems surprised about how things roll there:

I'm amazed that I have to point this out....

The issue is locked currently, and also archived just in case, so everyone can read the initial report and the replies he got.

Opinion: It seems distribution developers are starting to get the stick too, not just users with their "errors" (taken from a reply). Will distributions finally wake up or is that they don't still grok the attitude of projects like this? [Or is it something else? --Ed.]


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by pTamok on Monday January 21 2019, @05:47PM (3 children)

    by pTamok (3042) on Monday January 21 2019, @05:47PM (#789671)

    Lennart Poettering was also behind PulseAudio [wikipedia.org], which generates heated opinions as well. It is not welcomed with unalloyed enthusiasm, and certainly, my experiences of its use on Ubuntu-based distributions (which Poettering says have not integrated Pulseaudio properly) is poor - pavucontrol crashes, and audio streams die and disappear, never to come back until applications are restarted. I am unable to set sensible default volume levels that are preserved between application invocations - so I wear headphones around my neck (not over my ears) because Firefox ends up starting with VOLUME AT 100% AND PAVUCONTROL CRASHES WHEN I TRY TO ADJUST IT.

    I don't know if the problem is with Firefox, Ubuntu, or PulseAudio, but whatever the problem is, it means that sound just doesn't work properly, which is 'less than optimal'.

    No doubt other people have good experiences with PulseAudio. I just wish I was one of them.

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @07:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @07:12PM (#789707)

    I don't know if the problem is with Firefox, Ubuntu, or PulseAudio,

    The problem is with PulseAudio

    Poettering has decided that, obviously, you want your headphone volume at 100%. Otherwise you might miss out on the quiet sounds.

    How to tell if a problem you are having is with code that Poettering wrote:

    1) Determine you are having a problem.

    2) Determine if the problem path includes any code written by Poettering

    3) if the answer to #2 is yes, then the problem you are having is always with the code that Poettering wrote.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by chromas on Monday January 21 2019, @07:49PM (1 child)

    by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 21 2019, @07:49PM (#789734) Journal

    Your volume problem is what systemd calls "Flat volumes [freedesktop.org]" (/etc/pulse/daemon.conf: "flat-volumes = yes"), where the application volume is relative to the hardware's maximum volume and scales the master bus to the loudest application. It's a copycat of Windows' mixer since Vista or so. Some distros like arch (btw I use arch) disable it by default.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 25 2019, @09:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 25 2019, @09:47PM (#792036)

      That's fucking retarded.