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posted by takyon on Tuesday January 22 2019, @10:32AM   Printer-friendly
from the self-made-trillionaire dept.

Global wealth inequality widened last year as billionaires increased their fortunes by $2.5 billion per day, anti-poverty campaigner Oxfam said in a new report.

While the poorest half of humanity saw their wealth dwindle by 11%, billionaires' riches increased by 12%. The mega-wealthy have also become a more concentrated bunch. Last year, the top 26 wealthiest people owned $1.4 trillion, or as much as the 3.8 billion poorest people. The year before, it was the top 43 people.

[...] To address many of these ills, Oxfam advocated raising taxes. It estimated that a 1% wealth tax would be enough to educate 262 million out of school children and to save 3.3 million lives. As of 2015 returns, Oxfam says that only four cents in every tax dollar collected globally came from tariffs on wealth, such as inheritance or property. The report also claims that the rich are hiding $7.6 trillion in offshore accounts

Previously: Only 1% of World's Population Grabbed 82% of all 2017 Wealth


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 22 2019, @07:29PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 22 2019, @07:29PM (#790232)

    I'd take your complaint more seriously, if you had a better plan than merely "fund healthcare" without consideration for how useful that health care will be.

    See any number of the existing universal healthcare systems successfully treating people in a number of 1st world nations. Oh no? You want to move the goal posts and make stupid points because reasons?

    Get with it ya dinosaur

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 22 2019, @08:57PM (12 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 22 2019, @08:57PM (#790287) Journal

    See any number of the existing universal healthcare systems successfully treating people in a number of 1st world nations.

    They still would even if the "universal" health care systems were paid for by the patient than by the society.

    • (Score: 2) by turgid on Wednesday January 23 2019, @03:19PM (11 children)

      by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 23 2019, @03:19PM (#790619) Journal

      It's about wealth redistribution by collectively insuring against the shared risk. The poor benefit by getting treatment they otherwise couldn't afford and the rich get to live in a society where the gutters aren't teaming with sick and dying paupers causing a nuisance. Also, they get a fitter, healthier supply of workers for their money-making ventures.

      But you knew that already.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday January 23 2019, @03:57PM (10 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 23 2019, @03:57PM (#790641) Journal

        It's about wealth redistribution by collectively insuring against the shared risk.

        What shared risk? It's one thing to speak of infectious disease where common interest is obvious. It's another to talk about the end of life theater - no one is bettered by how much society pretends to care during your end of life processing. Sure, having less bodies in the street solves a minor health sanitation issue and generates some feelgoods for the general population, but I think the benefits are greatly exaggerated.

        And I also dispute the use of the loathsome term, "universal". From my viewpoint, being allowed to pay for your own health care is just as universal as forcing someone else to pay for it. After all, if your health wasn't important enough for you to pay for it yourself, then why should it be important enough to me to pay for it in your stead?

        Also, they get a fitter, healthier supply of workers for their money-making ventures.

        Not end of life processing, they don't. Those people would be lucky to be healthy enough to be capable of working a bit before they die - not that I'm advocating anyone waste their final weeks as a Seven-Eleven cashier.

        And a key problem here is that health care != good health. There is this ongoing peculiar insistence (such as in this very thread) on the providing of health care not on having good health care consequences (though obviously my idea of "good health care consequences" differs greatly from yours). The US is already delving into the difference between these two. I imagine others will follow in a decade or so (the US doesn't have that great a lead on some of the front runners).

        • (Score: 2) by turgid on Wednesday January 23 2019, @04:20PM

          by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 23 2019, @04:20PM (#790655) Journal
        • (Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday January 26 2019, @10:53AM (8 children)

          by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 26 2019, @10:53AM (#792259) Journal

          What shared risk? It's one thing to speak of infectious disease where common interest is obvious. It's another to talk about the end of life theater - no one is bettered by how much society pretends to care during your end of life processing. Sure, having less bodies in the street solves a minor health sanitation issue and generates some feelgoods for the general population, but I think the benefits are greatly exaggerated.

          There a very good book you can buy from one of the world's favourite utlra-capitalist money hoovers (right up your street) called Confessions of a Sociopath [amazon.com] by M. E. Thomas. You'd thoroughly enjoy it.

          In this country (the UK) there was absolutely terrible poverty in the days when the economic models and political policies you so enthusiastically cheer were in use. In the early 20th Century, working people still couldn;t afford shoes in some places. Try going to work in the winter without shoes. People died of hunger. People died in agony of untreated cancer. People didn't get proper emergency treatment after an accident.

          People often couldn't work if they were deaf or if they had poor eyesight and couldn't afford spectacles.

          People died or were maimed in accidents at work (thus causing severe hardship for their families) because workplaces were often very dangerous and unhealthy places. The rich owners often didn't see why they should spend money on health and safety. They saw it as a waste.

          There is another book you should read which will help you to understand why even the most healthy living people often need health care, ie medical treatment from a pharmacists, family doctor or in a hospital. It's called The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution [amazon.com] by Richard Dawkins. When you read it you will understand why no individual organism (in our case, human being) is physically perfect and subject to disease. So you can not possibly, with any sort of straight face, hand-wave away the fact that poor people will need some sort of treatment, no matter how much cucumber and carrot they eat.

          And I also dispute the use of the loathsome term, "universal". From my viewpoint, being allowed to pay for your own health care is just as universal as forcing someone else to pay for it. After all, if your health wasn't important enough for you to pay for it yourself, then why should it be important enough to me to pay for it in your stead?

          We're allowed to pay for our own healthcare too, if we're rich enough. You will be £150 lighter as soon as you walk through the front door, though.

          The way the "universal" health care works, and was designed is as follows. You will understand better if you read the Dawkins book referred to above. Let's ignore accidents requiring medical treatment for now and talk about other forms of illness. In the general population, some people will get sick more than others. Some very lucky people might never experience anything worse that the Common Cold. Others may develop asthma, kidney problems, diabetes, mental health problems. all sorts of things. You can work out an average rate for the whole population and given the state of medical science and technology you can work out how much it will cost to treat these diseases and to offer pain relief and so on.

          In the first half of the 20th Century, after much poverty and two World Wars the people of the UK chose to implement a Welfare State to help the young, old and sick, so that children would have the best start in life (you can't choose your parents) and the elderly would live in some sort of comfort (food, heat, clothing, shelter) after they were too old to work and so that people who got sick were treated according to their need, not their financial means. Apart from anything else, that provided industry with a healthy and therefore productive workforce.

          As for the costs and funding, we know that if you have buying power and you can buy in bulk you get a better deal than buying piecemeal and individually, so people voted by a landslide majority to fund a National Health Service, free at the point of use according to clinical need.

          We pay tax and "National Insurance" out of our income (those over 18 and earning over a minimum threshold) which is used to fund things such as the welfare state. I am proud and please to be earning enough nowadays that I pay well over £1000 in tax out of my monthly salary and a very large proportion of it gets spent on the NHS and feeding the poor.

          What that means is, in general (but not when the Nasty Party - Conservative - gets in and starts cutting funding so it can cut taxes or privatising services so that shareholders can make a profit out of people's illness and misfortune) when anyone has an accident, when anyone is pregnant, when anyone gives birth, when anyone gets cancer, when anyone gets a nasty, painful infection, they can go and get treated (in priority of seriousness) and not have to worry at all about paying for it.

          We've paid for it up front. We're more than happy to. We're happy to help out people less fortunate than ourselves whether they've lost in the genetic lottery (see Dawkins) or been unfortunate in other ways. We have a better society and a better quality of life for it.

          Now I expect you will have a learned and eloquent rebuttal to this?

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 28 2019, @05:10AM (7 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @05:10AM (#792892) Journal

            There a very good book you can buy from one of the world's favourite utlra-capitalist money hoovers (right up your street) called Confessions of a Sociopath [amazon.com] by M. E. Thomas. You'd thoroughly enjoy it.

            And it's completely irrelevant to this thread.

            In this country (the UK) there was absolutely terrible poverty in the days when the economic models and political policies you so enthusiastically cheer were in use. In the early 20th Century, working people still couldn;t afford shoes in some places. Try going to work in the winter without shoes. People died of hunger. People died in agony of untreated cancer. People didn't get proper emergency treatment after an accident.

            And now that those economic models and political policies aren't in use, the place is falling apart. Looks like your plan worked perfectly.

            There is another book you should read which will help you to understand why even the most healthy living people often need health care, ie medical treatment from a pharmacists, family doctor or in a hospital. It's called The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution [amazon.com] by Richard Dawkins. When you read it you will understand why no individual organism (in our case, human being) is physically perfect and subject to disease. So you can not possibly, with any sort of straight face, hand-wave away the fact that poor people will need some sort of treatment, no matter how much cucumber and carrot they eat.

            And even the most healthy living people often can pay for that health care. Gratuitous reference to Dawkins doesn't make your case.

            The way the "universal" health care works, and was designed is as follows. You will understand better if you read the Dawkins book referred to above. Let's ignore accidents requiring medical treatment for now and talk about other forms of illness. In the general population, some people will get sick more than others. Some very lucky people might never experience anything worse that the Common Cold. Others may develop asthma, kidney problems, diabetes, mental health problems. all sorts of things. You can work out an average rate for the whole population and given the state of medical science and technology you can work out how much it will cost to treat these diseases and to offer pain relief and so on.

            I'm reading here a lot of irrelevance to "universal" health care. One can do the same for private insurance, for example.

            In the first half of the 20th Century, after much poverty and two World Wars the people of the UK chose to implement a Welfare State to help the young, old and sick, so that children would have the best start in life (you can't choose your parents) and the elderly would live in some sort of comfort (food, heat, clothing, shelter) after they were too old to work and so that people who got sick were treated according to their need, not their financial means. Apart from anything else, that provided industry with a healthy and therefore productive workforce.

            And since, they've been in perpetual decline. What a coincidence.

            We pay tax and "National Insurance" out of our income (those over 18 and earning over a minimum threshold) which is used to fund things such as the welfare state. I am proud and please to be earning enough nowadays that I pay well over £1000 in tax out of my monthly salary and a very large proportion of it gets spent on the NHS and feeding the poor.

            I guess if we're going to squander wealth, I'd much rather it be your wealth than mine.

            • (Score: 2) by turgid on Tuesday January 29 2019, @08:02PM (6 children)

              by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 29 2019, @08:02PM (#793707) Journal

              You don't even attempt to understand. Your reply is more telling than you think.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 29 2019, @11:48PM (5 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 29 2019, @11:48PM (#793832) Journal
                It's a cool story, bro, but there's nothing there to understand. It's a standard blame displacement game. Since the Second World War, there were a few decades for the UK when you got everything you asked for. That so happened to have the unintended consequences of the creation of a successful conservative movement in the 1980s. There's been a similar replay of those circumstances with the EU/Brexit mess.

                Bottom line is that you obsess over and over again with "health care" rather than a viable society to provide that health care or even good consequences to that health care. That indicates to me a severe myopia which probably filters your entire world view. That doesn't mean that I believe the Brexit movement is firing on all cylinders. But this didn't happen in a vacuum. There are real problems you are ignoring here.
                • (Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday January 31 2019, @05:47PM (4 children)

                  by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 31 2019, @05:47PM (#794612) Journal

                  How very patronising.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 01 2019, @04:00AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 01 2019, @04:00AM (#794865) Journal
                    And yet, we can look at history, such as the evolution of the UK from a dying empire prior to the Second World War to the present day. There's a lot to be patronized about.
                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 01 2019, @04:28AM (2 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 01 2019, @04:28AM (#794870) Journal
                    I might add here that I don't have a lot of patience for people who get what they want... and then blame deflect about it afterward. You have your sexy universal health care and you have the society that goes along with that. Well, turns out that there's more important things to have in a society than affordable health theater for the masses.