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Emergency declared near Portland for measles outbreak in anti-vaccine hotspot
Health officials in Clark County, Washington have declared a public health emergency for a measles outbreak in an area with a high rate of unvaccinated children.
[...] Nearly eight percent of children in Clark County were exempt from standard vaccination for the 2017-2018 school year, according to state records reported by the Washington Post. Breaking down that eight percent, about seven percent of kids had personal or religious exemptions and the remaining one percent or so had medical exemptions. Factoring in the rest of the population, the county is below the 92 percent to 94 percent range some experts consider required to prevent the spread of highly contagious diseases such as measles.
[...] “It’s really awful and really tragic and totally preventable,” Peter J. Hotez told the Post. Hotez is a professor of pediatrics and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. “Portland is a total train wreck when it comes to vaccine rates,” he added.
[...] Correction: This article has been updated to correct the state in which Clark County resides. It is in Washington State, not Oregon.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @02:59PM (8 children)
Even in 1959, the percent of people getting pneumonia and/or dying after getting measles was about 5x less than the percent of people who currently come down with meningitis or encephalitis after the mmr vaccine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20789272 [nih.gov]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415036 [nih.gov]
So the issue you are worried about is actually less common than possible vaccine injury, and would be considered statistical noise by that paper I cited.
(Score: 5, Informative) by bzipitidoo on Thursday January 24 2019, @03:38PM (3 children)
From that very paper you cite, and which you seem to think supports your contention that the MMR vaccine is possibly more dangerous than suffering those diseases:
> We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.
Those 712 out of 535,544 cases happened around the same time as the MMR vaccine was given. But correlation is not causation. That rate is about equal to the rates that those infections occur during other periods of a childhood.
Maybe you overlooked that part of the paper. Or maybe you did see it, and deliberately ignored it. You know what is terribly unhealthy? Cherry picking your facts.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @04:07PM
I didn't overlook anything:
How do you think a pneumonia death is attributed to measles? The person gets pneumonia while or soon after they get measles...
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday January 28 2019, @02:01PM (1 child)
Kids get measles. And kids get so many ear infections -- measles or no measles. But when somebody gets measles AND gets an ear infection. The Vaccine People say, "oh look, secondary infections as a result of the measles virus, so horrible!" They call it result. But, how do they know? I don't think they know. And, if they knew -- Antibiotic. They could say, if your kid has the measles. Give the Antibiotic. So there are no problems with the Ear. And in the Ear. So easy. But, they don't want to say that. They want Vaccine. And it's a lot of shots, dozens of shots coming all at once. Into tiny children. Very hard thing, very rough on their tiny bodies. And so many times, autism -- many problems. But the Vaccine People say, "oh, correlation, not result!" They don't want to say result when bad things happen after the Shots. Total U-turn!!!
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday January 29 2019, @04:32PM
I have this urge to indulge in a little spurious logic. It's catching, you know, catching like a horrible disease.
You know what the thing about ear infections is? That Proctor and Gamble is evil. They sell tissue. And blowing your nose on tissues can force mucus into your ear. And Proctor and Gamble doesn't care. Why, for all we know, they get kickbacks from Big Pharma for the increase in antibiotic sales for dealing with ear infections!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @06:13PM (3 children)
You also forgot to look at the number of deaths from traffic accidents after mmr vaccines. Mmr is obviously incredibly deadly, Q.E.D.
-eyeroll-
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @06:20PM (2 children)
Where do you see me attribute any causality? The only info is person got measles (vaccine) then soon after they got pneumonia (brain damage).
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday January 25 2019, @01:25AM (1 child)
The only thing that would be interesting here is if the rate of brain injury / autism / pneumonia / Tourette's / sore finger differs between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population at the same age. This is the simplest argument for proving that the MMR vaccine doesn't cause autism - the autism rates are the same between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 25 2019, @01:54AM
1) I assure you it does differ and would be detectable with sufficient sample size/etc. Whether that difference is interesting is an entirely other question.
2) I'm ignoring the autism because that is longer term. The pneumonia/encephalitis/meningitis appear quickly, the association in time with the measles/vaccination strengthens the relationship.
But anyway, there has never been a blinded measles vaccine RCT so better info on this will probably never be available. That is why I presented the info as-is in the form of correlations.