A poll released Tuesday showed that more people are starting to believe climate change is credible, partly due to the frigid weather which has gripped the United States.
The poll released by Associated Press showed that 48 percent of respondents found the science of human-induced climate change more convincing when the poll was taken in November 2018 than they did five years ago, compared to 14 percent who thought it less convincing.
Eighty-three percent of those polled who believe in climate change want the federal government to take actions to mitigate it, and 80 percent want their state governments to act, the survey found.
More people than expected supported a carbon tax to help curb greenhouse gas emissions, according to the survey.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-01/23/c_137768179.htm
The coldest weather in years will put millions of people and animals throughout the midwestern United States at risk for frostbite to occur in minutes and hypothermia during the final days of January.
The deep freeze continued across the Upper Midwest on Sunday with temperatures plummeting well below zero in the morning. The low of 45 below zero F [-43°C] in International Falls, Minnesota, shattered the day's record of 36 below zero F [-38°C] from 1966.
As harsh as Sunday morning was, the worst is yet to come as the polar vortex gets displaced from the Arctic Circle and dives into the Midwest in the wake of the disruptive snowstorm starting this week.
https://news.yahoo.com/prolonged-life-threatening-cold-grip-165320957.html
Look at all that snow in the Alps; has global warming taken a break? Alas, no, it turns out that the recent record-breaking dumps of snow across much of southern Germany, Switzerland and Austria are more likely a consequence of global warming. Why? Balmy temperatures in the North Sea and Baltic Sea are cooking up the ideal conditions to create snow.
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Global warming enhances the current snowfall … Anomalously high sea surface temperatures in the North Sea and Baltic are loading winds from the north with moisture,” tweeted Stefan Rahmstorf of the University of Potsdam last week.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @11:59AM (25 children)
how the fuck is this interesting?
here's the raw data https://xkcd.com/1732/, [xkcd.com] in a form that anyone can understand if they are willing to actually look at it.
The planet Earth is heating up. That is established scientific fact.
If you disagree with the measurements or the way they are performed, please address them in a coherent and factual way, don't just say "from where I sit", because that is meaningless.
Humans are the main cause for the Earth heating up. That is also established scientific fact, see reports by the Intergovernmental panel on climate change.
If you disagree with their conclusions, please make a factual rebuttal of their findings, don't just complain about being labeled a denier (which you are).
(Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Monday January 28 2019, @12:57PM (3 children)
The xkcd link is broken. Just sayin.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @01:23PM
I'm sorry, it's the comma. can't break the habit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @01:46PM (1 child)
It's so hard to wipe out the comma from the url as rendered by the dam' Perl script that powers S/N
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 28 2019, @10:08PM
Commas are valid in URLs.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pcie-4.0-5.0-pci-sig-specification,38460.html [tomshardware.com]
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by SunTzuWarmaster on Monday January 28 2019, @01:41PM (2 children)
https://xkcd.com/1732/ [xkcd.com]
Poignant.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @04:26PM
geez, how do they know the temperature ...uhm ... errr ... 538 years ago?
i suppose using old wood, like when it's cold, they grow slow and when warm they grow faster, thus yielding "year rings", or how?
nothing can "capture" temperature today and reveal it, uhm ... errr ... say 100 years from now.
anyways, trees tend to generate shade and more trees, soon to be a forest(*).
forests are always colder then a non shaded area, methinks.
i imagine a thermometer hatching from a seedling, showing the temperature during its life time and then making a lot of other thermometers sprouting beside it.
the baby thermometers will show colder temperatures when growing up in the shade of the papa thermometer, until they reach the same height or papa was felled by some lightning or storm ...
anyways, modern thermometers tend to grow in cities, where there's lots of concert, asphalt and traffic and not on far away mountain tops or in deep wooden forests and modern thermometers generally show warmer weather ...
(*) maybe that comic curve also correlates with amount of trees on the planet?
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Monday January 28 2019, @11:11PM
From the xkcd link...
The title attribute of the comic image...
In most browsers, hold your mouse steady over the image until a tooltip appears.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 28 2019, @02:00PM (1 child)
Your link clearly demonstrats that civilization has risen thanks to temperature rise. And, then it has that Al Gore hockey stick. FFS - couldn't you do ANY BETTER?!?!?!
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Monday January 28 2019, @11:01PM
https://xkcd.com/552/ [xkcd.com]
Better than using actual data and citing the data source and telling about the possible errors of the data? What would that be?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 28 2019, @02:03PM (6 children)
Yes, it IS interesting. If you've studied religion at all, any of the major religions, you would recognize how much AGWism resembles a religion. How many heretics have YOU burnt at the stake?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @03:32PM (5 children)
agwism? i dunno what that means. i am guessing its a new term used to somehow belittle the xenos outside of a clique of hardcore adherents.
i thought burning the heretics was a religion. heretics burning because the world is burning isn't technically fulfilling the goal ,although they do get crossed off the list of infidels to return to our maker to distribute His divine Justice.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 28 2019, @04:16PM (4 children)
anthropomorphic global warming ism
AGWism
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @06:32PM (3 children)
You embody pretty much everything dumb about the US, even if you are a paid agitator.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 28 2019, @07:12PM (2 children)
If I'm a paid agitator, then I want my pay. I've probably earned enough by now to pay for a cheeseburger.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:48AM
Such a typically American comment, suspicious.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @03:39AM
You sure you don't want a Royale with Cheese ?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @02:21PM (2 children)
Thank you for demonstrating my point so concisely.
You've helped me make several points.
The first one is data fitting.
That cartoon is an excellent example of a misleading graph which is precisely the type of intellectual dishonesty I was speaking about when I mentioned that AGW is not so much a science as it is a religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misleading_graph [wikipedia.org]
The graph even though it is one of the better ones that exist, is misleading for a number of reasons.
The first reason is that near the bottom, the time axis is intentionally compressed to show an exaggerated effect. Secondly it is misleading because it spends such a short time on the "current time" area where do have somewhat decent data and then projects wildly into the future based on less than 2 decades of trend despite the fact that the older data shows trends cycling back and forth over the millennia.
In fact even with the skew, it doesn't break past +1 until several years past the end of the actual data and several years into the projected data and there isn't any support for those projections.
Another point this demonstrates is appeal to authority. I made an argument about data being massaged to fit a narrative. Rather than try to show actual data, we get a cartoon which sources its data from a narrative given by the exact same priesthood that I warned about. Yet, going back to the same graph you can clearly see that temps are about where they are now, going as far back as 8500 BCE.
Assuming the data in the chart is reasonably accurate, it would be far more honest to say that we haven't been this warm since 2000 BCE, but that we were this warm and warmer for up to 6500 years prior to that. Ergo, the last 4000 years have been part of a larger cycle with narrow temperature ranges that are now broadening and there is no clear correlation at all between human activity and this overall broadening.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:39PM
It is 331 pixels for every 500 years, all the way from the top of the graph to the bottom. Perhaps you were misled, because toward the end there are labels for every 100 years, instead of every 500. But that is common for such a graph since we have a lot more data about the last 500 than the 20,000 before it.
So my factory produced 200 widgets +/- 100 widgets, each day for 20 years. We had a seasonal cycle, where some months we ramped production to 300 widgets a day, and other months we ramped down to produce only 100 widgets/day. Now we upgrade the factory, hire new employees, and turn on a new manufacturing line. This month we produced 300 widgets/day.
By your logic, this must be part of our seasonal cycle because we have already had months in the past where we produced 300 widgets/day. There is no clear correlation at all between my manufacturing upgrades and the increased number of widgets. We must wait until we produce 400 widgets before we can be sure the new manufacturing line did anything at all.
In reality, we take into account the production of the old line, and the production of the new line, and we forecast under the idea that the old one produces a max of 300/day, and the new one 300/day, so we have a capacity of 600 per day +/-200 into the future.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 29 2019, @03:44AM
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @02:39PM (3 children)
Wow, a web comic is now considered "raw data" by the people concerned about this stuff... We have to be jumping the shark on this, it is like the shoeshine boy telling you to buy stocks. All the suckers are bought in, time to shear them. Perhaps that is related to blaming extreme cold on CO2 now too*.
* Actually, the original CO2 theory (from when they wanted to extrapolate a downward trend) was that it would increase humidity, which would turn to precipitation when the air traveled to the poles. This would cause more snow/ice to form there which would reflect more sunlight, thus leading to an "ice age". This idea will likely be making a come back in the next 10 years.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @06:12PM (2 children)
The XKCD author is a huge nerd that does quite a good job of using real data to make jokes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @07:47PM
So? A web comic does not pass for "raw data", even if a "huge nerd" made it. This is ridiculous.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 29 2019, @04:06AM
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @04:04PM
OP asked for the AGW / Climate Change proselytizers to review the raw data themselves without the fudging /normalizing and come to their own conclusions and you post a link to a hack cartoonist who is best known for a $5 wrench anti-crypto meme and you call it "raw data." Way to prove his point. This is why your opposition brands you as religious zealots and not scientists. What is sad is that you have enough penitent parishioners to exclaim AMEN and mod you as "informative." WTF?
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday January 28 2019, @05:28PM
Sorry, but that humans are the cause of the warming is only a strongly indicated assumption. There are other possibilities, and why the hell should it matter, we still need to act to counter the warming, no matter who's to blame.
(OTOH, the effect of the CO2, methane, etc. is a scientific fact. It's just that volcanoes, etc., also emit CO2, etc., and we haven't carefully measured all sources. So that humans are contributing to the warming is a fact, but that they are causing the warming is only extremely highly probable.)
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