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posted by martyb on Monday January 28 2019, @11:58AM   Printer-friendly
from the Spy-vs.-Spy dept.

Undercover agents target cybersecurity watchdog Citizen Lab, which reported key details in Khashoggi case

The researchers who reported that Israeli software was used to spy on Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi's inner circle before his gruesome death are being targeted in turn by international undercover operatives, The Associated Press has found.

Twice in the past two months, men masquerading as socially conscious investors have lured members of the Citizen Lab internet watchdog group to meetings at luxury hotels to quiz them for hours about their work exposing Israeli surveillance and the details of their personal lives.


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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Monday January 28 2019, @12:26PM (16 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday January 28 2019, @12:26PM (#792960) Homepage Journal

    An important issue for Americans is integrity in journalism. These people are among the most dishonest people I’ve ever met, spoken to, done business with. These are the most dishonest people. It’s unbelievable. For instance, we’ll have a great story. We’ll give it out to the media. They’ll make it look as bad as possible. As bad as possible.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 28 2019, @01:16PM (11 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @01:16PM (#792972) Journal

    Well, Donny's typical craziness is modded troll. You might figure as much.

    But then - journalists aren't all that honest at the best of times.

    How many people here, have ever been in the news, even in a peripheral way? What did the story look like, when it was published? And, what was the real story? At the best of times, the news reflects the journalist's ideas and opinions.

    At the worst of time? The news has no relationship to reality.

    It must be noted that this Citizen Lab has an agenda of their own. They are trying to shape public opinion, in favor of "refugees", among other things. Maybe they need to be researched? Funny that they get nervous when they are the subject of investigation.

    I will note that Citizen Lab seems to be pointing fingers at Israel. Isn't that rather typical of Moslems? It's always a Jew's fault, right?

    On the other hand, maybe these agents were Jewish. Hell if I know. It could just as easily be some other group they have offended. Saudi Arabia? The Saudis cared enough to kill one of them, maybe they are out to get the rest. Saudis using Jewish software? Phhht - when you or I need some software, do we care where the hell it came from? If some nerd from a family of sheep herders in backwoods Tibet wrote software that I found useful, I'd use it.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @02:43PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @02:43PM (#793008)

      It must be noted that this Citizen Lab has an agenda of their own. They are trying to shape public opinion, in favor of "refugees", among other things. Maybe they need to be researched?

      Citizen Lab's Ronald Deibert is part of the OpenNet Initiative with John Palfrey and Jonathan Zittrain of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society, the center of the Department of Homeland Security's anti-"hate speech" initiative led by Shahed Amanullah, [8ch.net] webmaster of the Muslim Public Affairs Council's magazine Minaret which featured Ayatollah Khomeini and Osama bin Laden on its cover. [8ch.net] Diebert and Citizen Lab's Erik Zouave appeared at Rightscon Silicon Valley which had a heavy attendance of British, Iranian, and Rothschild recruiters.

      Citizen Lab's John Scott-Railton appeared at the Google Ideas conference Conflict in a Connected World [archive.org] with Eric Schmidt, Jared Cohen, Gabriella Coleman, Christopher Poole, and others implicated in the global Internet censorship project [8ch.net], along with Abdulla Darrat of Libyan revolutionary group feb17voices, Lisa Goldman of Israeli Islamist website +972, Peter Warren Singer of Qatar's Doha Conference who called for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in 2002 [archive.org], and Lucas Dixon who wrote the Syria Defection Tracker for Qatar's Al Jazeera.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @03:37PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @03:37PM (#793031)

        So, which do you guys hate more: jews or muslims?

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @04:24PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @04:24PM (#793065)

          C) Racist little shits.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:48PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:48PM (#793116)

            Click those links, browse around a bit, and tell me whether 8chan hates racist little shits.

        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday January 28 2019, @05:47PM

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday January 28 2019, @05:47PM (#793114) Homepage Journal

          Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software [soylentnews.org]

          To Wit:

          “Free” and “open” are rivals for mindshare. “Free software” and “open source” are different ideas but, in most people's way of looking at software, they compete for the same conceptual slot. When people become habituated to saying and thinking “open source,” that is an obstacle to their grasping the free software movement's philosophy and thinking about it. If they have already come to associate us and our software with the word “open,” we may need to shock them intellectually before they recognize that we stand for something else. Any activity that promotes the word “open” tends to extend the curtain that hides the ideas of the free software movement.

          It’s not the choice of license that determines whether a codebase is Open Source or Free Software. Rather, it’s the reason for which that license was chosen.

          --
          Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 28 2019, @06:24PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday January 28 2019, @06:24PM (#793147) Journal

        Kevin Bacon.

        The End.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @03:34PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @03:34PM (#793028)

      True that. I was asked for a quick comment by a local reporter, the next day the only accurate thing in the article was the spelling of my name. And that was probably without any strong prejudices by the reporter or the owners of the paper.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @07:40PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @07:40PM (#793188)

        > I was asked for a quick comment by a local reporter, the next day the only accurate thing in the article was the spelling of my name.

        Tell me about it. I've been involved in a couple of news stories in my life. Apparently I am a:

        1) Last-minute Christmas shopper. A camera crew set up camp at Walmart on December 24th to get an easy story. I was there because I'd promised to buy a pick-me up snack for someone I knew who was trapped working there. I said as much, and that's all I thought I said, but the second half of the sentence. "December 24th is a nightmare for anyone in a store like this." got used, with the implication being a nightmare for shoppers when (in context) I clearly meant workers.

        2) Advisor to a young up-and-coming politician. I was in a relationship with one of his contributors, went to a get-together as the +1. We exchanged maybe three dozen words on where we get our shirts. With no audio, that precise moment was played on the evening news as the politician "Conferring with a member of his campaign committee."

        I'm a nobody so there was no reason to lie about me, but telling the truth is clearly too much work for most reporters. I've long since decided - if I'm involved in anything important, I am NOT talking to the press.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday January 28 2019, @05:21PM (2 children)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday January 28 2019, @05:21PM (#793095) Homepage Journal

      I’ll have you know that Tibet does not have trees.

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 28 2019, @05:49PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 28 2019, @05:49PM (#793117) Journal

        And, I take it that you have traveled extensively through Tibet? I won't pretend to know a lot about Tibet, but you don't need to know a lot. Whatever made you believe that Tibet has no trees? Trees are a prerequisite to human life. Life without trees is for lizard people.
        https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g294222-Activities-c57-t57-Tibet.html [tripadvisor.com]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:25AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:25AM (#793330)

          Altitude, Runaway, altitude. There is this thing called the "treeline" up there in elevation.

  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday January 28 2019, @05:18PM (2 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday January 28 2019, @05:18PM (#793092) Homepage Journal

    A close and trusted friend grew up in Manhattan.

    Since 1983, Darryl has heartily objected to your architectural aesthetic. As he said:

    “Manhattan is a dignified place. The Trump Tower is like a gilded turd in the lunch bowl.”

    This is hard for me to bear Mr. President. Your Tax Cuts And Jobs Act got me back to work - my consultancy’s 2018 gross revenue was $15k - yet Darryl is one of the very finest friends I have ever known!

    However shall I respond to him?

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by realDonaldTrump on Monday January 28 2019, @05:47PM (1 child)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday January 28 2019, @05:47PM (#793115) Homepage Journal

      It's O. K. Howard Schultz of Starbucks, and from Starbucks, wants to be President. He wants to run against me for 2020 Election. Maybe he'll run. And maybe he won't. It's O. K. If he runs he will lose horribly. But, I assume, the Starbucks in Trump Tower is still paying me rent.

      I'm famous for my beautiful deals. And for my beautiful buildings. Trump Tower is very well built. Renowned for "......opulence synonymous with Manhattan in the 1980s." Insight Guides. And very profitable.

      So you can tell your friend, build something very classy. With 68 floors -- or more. In one of the most prestigious shopping areas in the World. And when he does, I'll buy him a plane ticket to Europe. Where we're in discussions about what's going to be the tallest building in Europe. Incredible design, so modern it's beyond modern. So beautiful -- people are saying it should be in a museum of Modern Art. But, there's no museum that could hold it. Because it will be very very big. Big and beautiful!

      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday January 28 2019, @06:10PM

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday January 28 2019, @06:10PM (#793136) Homepage Journal

        I shall pass your reply on to Darryl.

        Darryl Ferucci’s father was prmonient in the lighting and electrical in New York’s film industry. Darryl is a prominent photographer and graphic artistin Santa Cruz, California.

        While best known as a hotbed left-wing political activism - former California Governor Gerald Brown carried the county in the 1992 Democratic Primaries - it is also a world-reknown center for the arts and sciences.

        --
        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
  • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Monday January 28 2019, @11:55PM

    by stretch611 (6199) on Monday January 28 2019, @11:55PM (#793318)

    You go to bed with a dog. You wake up with V. D.

    First off... I would question your observation on who gave who VD.

    Then I will admit, some journalists can be quite seedy. However, when compared to politicians somehow even the worst journalists come out smelling like roses.

    --
    Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P