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posted by martyb on Thursday February 07 2019, @12:25AM   Printer-friendly
from the Es-ist-mir-ganz-egal dept.

Phys.org:

Of all the skills that a person could have in today's globalized world, few serve individuals – and the larger society – as well as knowing how to speak another language.

People who speak another language score higher on tests and think more creatively, have access to a wider variety of jobs, and can more fully enjoy and participate in other cultures or converse with people from diverse backgrounds.

Knowledge of foreign languages is also vital to America's national security and diplomacy. Yet, according to the U.S Government Accountability Office, nearly one in four Foreign Service officers do not meet the language proficiency requirements that they should meet to do their jobs.

Despite all these reasons to learn a foreign language, there has been a steep decline in foreign language instruction in America's colleges and universities. Researchers at the Modern Language Association recently found that colleges lost 651 foreign language programs from 2013 to 2016

The advice to learn foreign languages has been repeated for decades, but how much does it really help native speakers of English, professionally, to learn other languages? Additionally, does the decline of language courses at traditional schools reflect cheaper, better alternatives online?


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 07 2019, @02:23AM (10 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday February 07 2019, @02:23AM (#797571) Journal

    I'm intermediate in Spanish, can swear rather well in Russian and Finnish, and know some business Japanese. It's always good to know more languages, all else being equal, because at the end of the day they're just different ways of communicating more or less universal concepts, and knowing more languages means you can communicate with more people. How is this a waste?

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @03:16AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @03:16AM (#797584)

    "I am "that girl" your mother warned you about..."

    A bitch?
    Or are you a tranny degenerate?

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 07 2019, @04:54AM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday February 07 2019, @04:54AM (#797615) Journal

      A total bitch :) I will eat you alive, manlet. Run! Run for the hills! The Nasty Woman (TM) is here! Our actual "tranny degenerate" thinks I'm a TERF, so there you are. Maybe you should try and arrange a date with her? She likes men, for some unholy reason...

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @09:04AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @09:04AM (#797685)

        Seriously, manlet, you should be seriously afraid. You will not stand a chance. Your manhood will be ground up by the deficiencies of your arguments, and feed to fishes. You will find yourself hiding behind the apron of your mother/sister/nurse/dominatrix because you are not enough of a man to stand up on your own, and so your attacks on women are in fact your refuge in women that you are dependent upon. You will not be able to form a relationship, with anyone, let alone an actual female. Your only friends with be on Gab and World of Warcraft, and they will all be of the age of a Runaway1956, with similar cognitive deficits. Run now, manlet! Let it go! Save yourself!

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @09:10AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @09:10AM (#797687)

          He can't. Mummy's nowhere near, he doesn't know where to run, he's totally paralyzed and his pants are wet.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Immerman on Thursday February 07 2019, @03:48AM (5 children)

    by Immerman (3985) on Thursday February 07 2019, @03:48AM (#797593)

    >they're just different ways of communicating more or less universal concepts

    I'm not so sure about that. For the most part perhaps, but different cultures (and thus their languages) can have very different conceptual models of the world. For example I remember reading that there's something like a dozen different ways of saying "thank you" in... Japanese(?). All of which literally translate to varying degrees of resentment. As another example, there's an... African(? or maybe Indonesian?) tribal language that has no word for "past" or "future", only for "now" and "not-now". Those sorts of stark differences in language often reflect conceptual models of the world that are, at least in places, quite alien.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 07 2019, @04:51AM (3 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday February 07 2019, @04:51AM (#797614) Journal

      Uh...nowhere in the (admittedly very formal, office-lady-style) Japanese I studied did anything approaching resentment come across from any form of "thank you." Unsightly groveling, a relic of a Han-style subservience to an emperor, yes, but not resentment. It is very, very, *very* hard to get single, direct, English-like meanings out of Japanese. So very much of it is contextual, and intonation is important, while not actually carrying semantic information like the various forms of Chinese or Bengali. Rather it's the choice of words in context of the status of the speaker, listener, and the situation they find themselves in that carries the information. Someone calling you "omae," especially if that someone is not a very close friend, is being extremely over-familiar at the best.

      Weirdly, Japanese is very much *like* English historically speaking; as English consists of Norman (and other Romance) insertions into a Germanic groundmass, Japanese is an entirely different family from Sino-Tibetan and had more or less *all* of Han culture including hanzi (kanji) forced into it. It's bizarre, like writing English with a mix of Egyptian hieroglyphs and IPA script. Mandarin is also SVO if i remember right, while Japanese is SOV.

      Can't speak to the Indonesian or African language that has no past or future word (perhaps no past or future tense?), though. That seems...impractical. I do know some languages use present and future as the same tense, sometimes without even a determinative or particle of any sort to distinguish them, but that's it.

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      • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday February 07 2019, @07:50PM (2 children)

        by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 07 2019, @07:50PM (#797920) Homepage Journal

        a mix of Egyptian hieroglyphs and IPA script

        Love that! Using the IPA for things like 'ing' and 'ed' and some prepositions.

        What a great visual image!

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:35PM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:35PM (#798020) Journal

          I noticed that happens mostly when conjugating verbs or modifying adjectives; the kanji for the infinitive (verb) or abstract (adjective) is given, followed by modifiers like -imasu. -imasen deshita, -[tte kudasai, etc in hiragana. The language is still hopelessly difficult to write but once I figured this out things became easier since I now knew where semantic blocks started and ended, if that makes sense.

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          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday February 16 2019, @04:24AM

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 16 2019, @04:24AM (#801926) Homepage Journal

            Yes, that's pretty well the way it works. Except perhaps in young childrens' literature, where it's all hiragana to make it easy for children to read. And it makes it harder for foreigners learning the language because there are no visual clues about word boundaries.

    • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:07AM

      by pTamok (3042) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:07AM (#797706)

      As another example, there's an... African(? or maybe Indonesian?) tribal language that has no word for "past" or "future", only for "now" and "not-now". Those sorts of stark differences in language often reflect conceptual models of the world that are, at least in places, quite alien.

      Urdu uses the same word to mean 'yesterday' and 'tomorrow', and its meaning is derived from the word's context. I notice that many Indians speaking English also tend to use the continuous present tense far more than a British speaker of English. I have a suspicion that this is because at least one of the major languages used in India probably uses the continuous present tense more than English, or may not even have a simple present tense. I have not been able to confirm this.