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Senate approves Syria, anti-BDS[*] bill
The Senate passed legislation on Thursday breaking with President Trump's Syria policy. Senators voted 77-23 to send the legislation to the House that includes a provision warning Trump against a "precipitous" withdrawal of troops from Syria and Afghanistan. It also asks the administration to certify that certain conditions have been met "for the enduring defeat of al Qaeda and ISIS before initiating any significant withdrawal of United States forces from Syria or Afghanistan."
[...] In addition to the Syria amendment, the bill also included sanctions against the Syrian government, increased support for Israel and Jordan and a provision that would let states penalize businesses that take part in boycotts or divestments of Israel.
Both the Syria amendment and the anti-BDS provisions sparked division among Democrats. [...] Democrats had raised First Amendment concerns about the anti-BDS provision, which splintered most of the party's 2020 contenders and caucus leadership. "While I do not support the BDS movement, we must defend every American's constitutional right to engage in political activity. It is clear to me that this bill would violate Americans' First Amendment rights," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said in a statement last week.
[*] BDS: boycott, divestment and sanctions.
Also at NYT.
See also: Is the Anti-BDS Bill Constitutional? Yes, But...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @08:07PM (18 children)
There is no way the state laws prohibiting Israel boycotts would stand up in court.
Either organizations or people are allowed to boycott or they are not. That is a basic right.
Show me where Israel is either an American citizen or protected class of person. None of that crap would even apply to a foreign country.
(Score: 2, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday February 07 2019, @08:11PM (12 children)
Hmm....how curious...
It's almost like Republicans are lying when they pretend to care about things like freedom of speech and the first amendment.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @08:37PM (9 children)
Correct. It follows from the fact that the Republican Party is one of the two major capitalist parties in the United States.
Capitalism itself is not capable of caring about things like freedom of speech, frist amendment, or any other human rights.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:21PM (8 children)
Now explain why only capitalist countries have them.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:07PM
Because they don't care about it enough to throw it out... As yet.
But this very story shows the things are changing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:30PM (5 children)
Because it gives the masses the illusion that they have a choice. They don't.
The main system of control in capitalist countries is the system where most days, most people have to go to a specific place and do what they're told to do by somebody called their "boss" for an extended period of time. And while they could in theory stop doing that and are free to tell their boss to go fuck themselves at any time, in practice doing so would leave them living on the streets in the middle of winter and quite likely freezing and starving to death. Unless of course they commit what's been deemed a "crime", in which case instead of living on the streets they get to be locked up in borderline-inhumane conditions for a while and effectively barred from going back to the life of going to a specific place and doing what they're told to by a boss.
By the time you've gotten to the point in your career where you are a boss, and especially a boss over other bosses, you will have bought into the system enough that you won't be a threat to that system. And for the particularly troublesome folks trying to break out of this by starting small businesses, there's a system known as "venture capital" that makes people think they're all independent and such but really just as much under the control of bosses (now called "investors").
As for political free speech and elections and such, the rich people in the US have demonstrated quite thoroughly that they can buy politicians regardless of what letter they have after their name.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:49PM (4 children)
The problem with this is that other existing economic systems have the same rule. Most of the time everyone works for some authoritarian figure doing what that figure wants. The exceptions that I know of are hunter-gatherers, where people are only occasionally subject to the whims of an authority figure.
So you can't pin that one on capitalist systems. It goes back through the middle ages at least to the later Roman empire, and probably back to Egypt, where the word taxes (in Egyptian, of course) was created to describe labor conscripted by the state. I've never encountered an actual libertarian system. (Except the Yik, who fell apart socially under the stress of a famine. Somalia might be another example, but it sounds more like gang warfare with everyone subservient to some gang leader.)
This is why I'm a minarchist rather than a libertarian. Some social rules seem to be necessary.
P.S.: Another exception is the period of the homestead act, where lots of "free land" was being created. But during that period there were a large number of songs about bondage to financial agencies. (See, e.g., "The Banks are made of Marble".) There were also lots of violently suppressed labor uprisings. So I doubt that it was actually an exception, but suspect rather that people have been given a "hagiographic" story of what it was like.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday February 08 2019, @02:01AM (3 children)
The point is that the free speech and elections and such are there to try to create the illusion that you're a free citizen able to do whatever you like, while the economic system keeps you not-much-less-imprisoned than you were under feudalism. And arguably more imprisoned: Depending on the exact time and place, medieval peasants had more days off (thanks to the Catholic Church declaring all those "Saint So-and-So's Day") and lower taxes than we do today.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday February 08 2019, @04:55AM
Days when you must attend church aren't exactly "days off", and in any case this cannot be tied to capitalism. It's blaming the wrong target. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to blame it, but in each case there's always the question "what alternatives are any better, and what are their drawbacks".
I tend to blame many problems on the centralization of power, and claim that the decisions should be made close to the place where they will be acted on, so that feedback is reasonably possible. But that has it's own problems, of course. I keep hoping that we'll develop an AI like the Collegatarch of Allan Dean Foster's "I Inside", but we're a bit of a distance from that technologically, and a huge distance from that socially.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday February 08 2019, @05:21PM (1 child)
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…" https://richardlangworth.com/worst-form-of-government [richardlangworth.com] I'll take what we have now as opposed to those others that have been tried. Perhaps a new system could be created that is even better, but it's no easy thing to create a new form of government.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday February 08 2019, @05:36PM
Democracy is not the same thing as capitalism. Pretending that they are the same thing is one of those nice little tricks used to convince you that what you're getting now is the best possible deal you could get.
And in many parts of the world, capitalism is paired not with democracy, but ruthless and brutal dictatorship, in many cases with those ruthless and brutal dictators installed and backed by the supposedly enlightened United States.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday February 08 2019, @12:09AM
To avoid excessive property damage. Riots are expensive affairs. It's a simple cost/benefit thing
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:24PM
Or when Israeli citizens like Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein object to building a border wall?
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:43PM
Have no fear. Your namesake, the DEath Monkey party remains steadfast in opposing collusion with foreign powers, and will not hesitate to investigate this blatant case of the Senate's treason against the USA in favor of Israel.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @08:42PM (1 child)
A quick google search seems to indicate you are correct, many previous laws have been successfully challenged in courts. Its quite unamerican to disallow the freedom to boycott anyway.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:03PM
If the states and their courts are friendly, then it does not matter. Now, if the Democrats would finally pull Ruth Bader Ginsburg off the ventilator and deport her (((clerks))), maybe we would get this settled once and for all in the supreme court.
(Score: 4, Informative) by crafoo on Friday February 08 2019, @02:42AM (2 children)
Israeli product barcodes start with 729. Just in case you want to boycott.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday February 08 2019, @06:32PM (1 child)
This Senate bill is ridiculous. If anything, it proves that the US Congress is deeply in thrall to a hostile foreign power that is steadily siphoning away our money and technology, literally attacking American armed forces, and directly ordering DC to vote for policies that are adverse to US interests. The subversion campaign has gone on for decades, and the evidence for it is overwhelming. Every single member of Congress who has taken money from AIPAC or any other Israel lobby ought to be prosecuted for treason.
That said, a boycott of Israeli products is a ridiculous non-action. Why? Because they don't produce anything useful to America. They produce literally nothing unique or even troublesome to find alternatives to. In my stores in the middle of the People's Republic of Park Slope, Brooklyn, I have seen roughly two products made in Israel: feta cheese, amid a huge pile of other brands of feta cheese made in Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Wisconsin--and almost any other place on Earth--and hummus, amid 50 other brands of hummus.
Maybe if a person went to Glattmart or some place in Williamsburg where the hasidim live, there would be more but those people will never boycott Israel anyway.
In other words, Americans already effectively boycott Israel.
Chuck Schumer needs to be thrown out on his ear for this--it's the icing on the cake made out of shit over his absurdly uncurtailed time in the Senate.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday February 09 2019, @04:58AM
Aren't some Intel products designed (and made?) in Israel? I've also dealt with people with IBM Israeli email addresses. Seems so.
https://www.israel21c.org/intel-skylake-made-in-haifa-2/ [israel21c.org]
https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovations-developed-in-israel/ [israel21c.org]