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posted by martyb on Thursday February 07 2019, @07:33PM   Printer-friendly

Senate approves Syria, anti-BDS[*] bill

The Senate passed legislation on Thursday breaking with President Trump's Syria policy. Senators voted 77-23 to send the legislation to the House that includes a provision warning Trump against a "precipitous" withdrawal of troops from Syria and Afghanistan. It also asks the administration to certify that certain conditions have been met "for the enduring defeat of al Qaeda and ISIS before initiating any significant withdrawal of United States forces from Syria or Afghanistan."

[...] In addition to the Syria amendment, the bill also included sanctions against the Syrian government, increased support for Israel and Jordan and a provision that would let states penalize businesses that take part in boycotts or divestments of Israel.

Both the Syria amendment and the anti-BDS provisions sparked division among Democrats. [...] Democrats had raised First Amendment concerns about the anti-BDS provision, which splintered most of the party's 2020 contenders and caucus leadership. "While I do not support the BDS movement, we must defend every American's constitutional right to engage in political activity. It is clear to me that this bill would violate Americans' First Amendment rights," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said in a statement last week.

[*] BDS: boycott, divestment and sanctions.

Also at NYT.

See also: Is the Anti-BDS Bill Constitutional? Yes, But...


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Freeman on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:04PM (4 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:04PM (#798044) Journal

    "... I would also like to see the US stop undermining countries whose governments they disapprove of ..." That's not going to happen. Pretty much every president that's held office since I've been alive has done that. It definitely isn't a new thing. I mean, we did it nearly from the very beginning of our History, in Tripoli.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Arik on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:44PM (3 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:44PM (#798064) Journal
    ""... I would also like to see the US stop undermining countries whose governments they disapprove of ..." That's not going to happen. Pretty much every president that's held office since I've been alive has done that."

    The only two that seemed just a little skeptical of it were Carter and Trump. And the mainstream media turned on both viciously and attempted to hamper them at every turn.

    "I mean, we did it nearly from the very beginning of our History, in Tripoli."

    I don't think that part is accurate at all though. That was not going abroad in search of monsters to destroy. These were literal pirate states that had been extorting incredible sums of money from us. We did just what we had to - paid just long enough to build a fleet and then we quit paying. The Pascha declared war on us. I don't see any resemblance there to the wars we see now.
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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday February 08 2019, @03:56PM (2 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Friday February 08 2019, @03:56PM (#798354) Journal

      ISIS didn't declare war on the USA? The terrorists that attacked the USA on 9/11 didn't declare war on the USA? You can claim whatever you like, but the USA was definitely fighting a war. Just a whole lot more complicated war.

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      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday February 08 2019, @04:58PM

        by Arik (4543) on Friday February 08 2019, @04:58PM (#798402) Journal
        Where did I say it wasn't a war?

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      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday February 09 2019, @12:23AM

        by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 09 2019, @12:23AM (#798610) Journal
        You must have been referring to "the Pascha declared war on us" but that's fixating on one point, and I certainly didn't say it wasn't war. By implication; that it was going abroad in search of monsters to destroy - and that it was. Sure, ISIS 'declared' on us in a sense - but ISIS was born in our illegal overseas prison system, built pursuant to our illegal war, supposedly launched in some way as an operation against our arch enemy - who was a thousand miles away and would have risked being immediately imprisoned and ultimately tortured to death if he had set foot in Iraq. An enemy who we funded and supported a few years earlier, who came from a wealthy family in a country we essentially propped up, having willingly taken over that role from the UK.

        Don't get me wrong, I can see how you see parallels. There are some; they're particularly unsavory adversaries, particularly barbaric and inhumane, both profess Islam. But overall the situations are very very different. We were in no sense responsible for the existence of the Barbary states, we did our best to live and let live, we fought them when forced.

        ISIS wouldn't even exist if not for US foreign policy. It wouldn't exist without the invasion of Iraq; the destruction of that country, and the resulting conditions gave it birth. That's a big difference.

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