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posted by martyb on Thursday February 07 2019, @07:33PM   Printer-friendly

Senate approves Syria, anti-BDS[*] bill

The Senate passed legislation on Thursday breaking with President Trump's Syria policy. Senators voted 77-23 to send the legislation to the House that includes a provision warning Trump against a "precipitous" withdrawal of troops from Syria and Afghanistan. It also asks the administration to certify that certain conditions have been met "for the enduring defeat of al Qaeda and ISIS before initiating any significant withdrawal of United States forces from Syria or Afghanistan."

[...] In addition to the Syria amendment, the bill also included sanctions against the Syrian government, increased support for Israel and Jordan and a provision that would let states penalize businesses that take part in boycotts or divestments of Israel.

Both the Syria amendment and the anti-BDS provisions sparked division among Democrats. [...] Democrats had raised First Amendment concerns about the anti-BDS provision, which splintered most of the party's 2020 contenders and caucus leadership. "While I do not support the BDS movement, we must defend every American's constitutional right to engage in political activity. It is clear to me that this bill would violate Americans' First Amendment rights," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said in a statement last week.

[*] BDS: boycott, divestment and sanctions.

Also at NYT.

See also: Is the Anti-BDS Bill Constitutional? Yes, But...


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:09PM (12 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:09PM (#798047) Journal

    Let me clue you in on something: doors, deadbolts, and similar are there to keep out the lazy, the stupid, and the weak. If a criminal wants into your place of residence bad enough, he *will* get in (and it's almost always going to be a he). Even I can think of a way to B&E very easily and cheaply that bypasses pretty much any form of mechanical lock that isn't a huge solenoid or full-door security system.

    And, again: most of the drugs are coming in through ports of entry and a hell of a lot of illegals came here perfectly legally. There is an incentive somewhere to keep the flow of illegals, and I've named it: virtual slave labor, especially in the food industry, specifically in meatpacking and produce harvesting.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:23PM (5 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:23PM (#798059) Journal
    Of course it's almost always going to be a 'he.' A woman would rarely need to risk herself like that. She just sends some hapless guy to do the burglary for him. If he gets caught she can find another guy.

    Really good contributions in this thread though. Thanks.
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    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:46PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:46PM (#798065)

      "A woman would rarely need to risk herself like that. She just sends some hapless guy to do the burglary for him."

      So you admit gender is fluid?

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:56PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:56PM (#798072) Journal

        So you admit gender is fluid?

        Well, we are 60% water, more or less

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      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:56PM (2 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:56PM (#798073) Journal
        It might be, but you're missing the point.

        She would send him to steal stuff for *him.* Things he REALLY needs, in order to be able to provide for her properly.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @01:09AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @01:09AM (#798092)

          It was just a joke, but even your re-interpretation still doesn't make sense. Easier to fess up to a mistake then twist yourself in circles trying to avoid it.

          • (Score: 1) by Arik on Friday February 08 2019, @02:35AM

            by Arik (4543) on Friday February 08 2019, @02:35AM (#798113) Journal
            I see you lost your sense of humor in a tragic accident. Sorry about that.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @05:25AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @05:25AM (#798182)

    ...are there to keep out the lazy, the stupid, and the weak.

    Just playing devils advocate here, but aren't those the immigrants you don't want?

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 08 2019, @06:49AM (3 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 08 2019, @06:49AM (#798203) Journal

      ...the point is that the ones who get through the wall are motivated criminals, man. It's by analogy with the fact that no standard residential front door will stop a determined criminal from getting in, and even I have at least one method I know works.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @07:15AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @07:15AM (#798206)

        > ..the point is that the ones who get through the wall are motivated criminals, man.

        Yes, with or without a wall the determined criminals will get in. The point was that a wall will keep out the lazy, the stupid and the weak.
        They are just a drain on society, and without them, the criminals will find it harder to hide.

        > It's by analogy with the fact that no standard residential front door will stop a determined criminal from getting in, and even I have at least one method I know works.

        Yes, but I bet you still have a lock on your door because it does keep out the lazy, stupid and weak.

        Damn, I've almost convinced myself that the wall is a good idea.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 09 2019, @06:04AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday February 09 2019, @06:04AM (#798727) Journal

          In this case, to expand the analogy further, you're saying "well, criminals are still getting in even though you have a cheap, flimsy door. Make a better one." But then the data show that most of them are actually people I invited in as guests and gave a copy of my house keys to, and that the ones leaving drug paraphernalia in my house are actually dropping it in through the chimney rather than the front door.

          Does that help any?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 10 2019, @05:37PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 10 2019, @05:37PM (#799139)

        You don't have to be motivated to use a ladder. Literally, there are videos of people using ladders are other simple tools to climb over the sections of the US border that actually do have walls. So, Trump's wall is also useless at keeping out the occasional intruder.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @07:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @07:26PM (#798494)

    Let me clue you in on something: doors, deadbolts, and similar are there to keep out the lazy, the stupid, and the weak.

    Seems like a good reason to build the wall: lazy, stupid and weak are definately characteristics we don't want to import