Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

Systemd as Tragedy

posted by martyb on Friday February 08 2019, @05:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-all-geek-to-me dept.

darkfeline writes:

https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/

LWN (Linux Weekly News) provides a written account of Benno Rice's talk. The former FreeBSD core developer gives some context around systemd and what FreeBSD should learn from it. He compares the affair to a Greek tragedy which contains much suffering followed by catharsis. His attitude toward systemd is generally not negative, but I won't cherry-pick any specific sections; you'll have to actually read the article for once.

Original Submission

 
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Systemd as Tragedy | Log In/Create an Account | Top | 90 comments | Search Discussion
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Bot on Friday February 08 2019, @07:31AM (1 child)

    by Bot (3902) on Friday February 08 2019, @07:31AM (#798209) Journal

    then I stopped reading as I really can't relate to what the guy is saying.
    'configuration vs service'? who cares? you can PROGRAM stuff to adapt the system to your SPECIFIC issues.
    A system is too complex? split it in VMs or docker style containers, so you can also scale it.
    A system changes over time? no only a desktop/laptop do. There has never been any need for udev nor hal, all they did is making a lot of fuss for relatively simple functionality.

    For services? daemontools/runit if you feel like super pro. Me? one month ago I needed to run a server on a VM. So I nohup the call. But nohup does use a different environment, so instead of meddling with code I put the call in a one liner script, cd $PROPER_DIR; execute server. Guess what, it works. The server is experimental so I also wrapped it in a while true loop, which is impervious to the much talked about and rare PID race condition problems, that restarts the server whenever it goes down, after emailing me a warning. Had I been forced to use systemd? look up doc for the completely arbitrary ini style DSL. Find what category fits my service in the mind of systemd developers. Does it look SIMPLER than bash scripts? NO. You know why? because it isn't.

    --
    Account abandoned.
    Starting Score:    1  point
    Moderation   +2  
       Informative=2, Total=2
    Extra 'Informative' Modifier   0  
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  
    Total Score:   4  

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @08:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @08:13PM (#798521)

    A fascinating look into the inner workings of our infrastructure. You're a glorified toaster!