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LWN (Linux Weekly News) provides a written account of Benno Rice's talk. The former FreeBSD core developer gives some context around systemd and what FreeBSD should learn from it. He compares the affair to a Greek tragedy which contains much suffering followed by catharsis. His attitude toward systemd is generally not negative, but I won't cherry-pick any specific sections; you'll have to actually read the article for once.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by MadTinfoilHatter on Friday February 08 2019, @07:44AM (2 children)
This guy is just spreading the same misinformation as the rest of the systemd lapdogs. This includes the deliberate misportrayal of the criticism against it. From TFA:
No. The argument has nothing to do with the number of binaries involved. This claim has been debunked time and time again, since the very beginning of the systemd debate. See e.g. "Fallacy #1" in Jude Nelson's blog post [blogspot.com] dating to September 26th 2014!!! Anyone still making these straw man arguments is a shill and can be safely ignored.
Hmm... Let's see. It solves no problems that I have, it creates a bunch of problems I don't need and it would have to make me re-learn a ton of stuff I already know, so no: There really isn't anything I like about systemd.
I have moved on. To Gentoo and Devuan. Fuck you systemd!
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Friday February 08 2019, @09:32AM
"macOS" = "Mac OS X 10.11 and subsequent major releases such as 10.12".
While I still have quite the beefy Linux box it has no screen, keyboard and mouse. Given that my (now worthless) LiteCoin Rig does a good job of heating my home despite that home having no Internet service, and given that the building management shuts off the heating at night and on weekends, I figure my 16 GB FB-DIMM with 1 GB GPU and a Core Quad Xeon e5400 would make me feel warm and cozy were I to bring it into work...
... which would require a helpful friend with a car. Such a helpful friend has _already_ volunteered her truck to tote my Darth Vader-like box - really: it's a CoolerMaster Server Case, with TEN full-width 5 1/4" drive slots, four of which have some manner of drive cooler whose vendor escapes me now as well as what at the time was a really high-end Plextor Blu-ray burner, also a Floppy Drive.
Remember Floppy Drives?
I sure don't.
If I _really_ need LUNIX THE OPEN SORES OPERATING SYSTEM, that's what VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro is for.
Now, I will grant you that if I _did_ purchase a screen, keyboard and mouse for my e5400 I could get lots of PCIe driver work, but that's not a problem on my slotless Mac: my macOS PCIe customers always pre-install their card-form cards into Thunderbolt Adapters before they send them my way.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by darkfeline on Friday February 08 2019, @10:30PM
I'm going to attempt to have a rational discussion. Hold onto your hats folks.
Regarding Fallacy #1, it seems like the point is that having binaries that are tightly coupled is bad. Well, it seems contradictory then that many anti-systemd proponents are fleeing to FreeBSD, where the entire core OS is tightly coupled. The main philosophical difference between Linux and BSD is that in Linux you can grab a sed from GNU and an awk from Busybox and everything works, plus or minus duct tape. Whereas UNIX/BSD traditionally ships the entire OS and you've got to use the entire thing. SUS/POSIX has done a lot of work standardizing the OS interface so at least you can interface from outside the OS even if the OS internally is tightly coupled, but in practice with the amount of extensions and the parsimony of the system API POSIX development is an act of supreme masochism.
People who say systemd is non-Unix don't understand that it's the exact opposite: Linux is non-Unix, and systemd is a return to the roots, for better or worse.
> Hmm... Let's see. It solves no problems that I have
It doesn't sound like you even made an attempt so I'm not sure I can take you seriously. Can you even enumerate a dozen of systemd's features? systemd has a lot of features, and that is why RIce suggests identifying one feature and seeing if that could be used to improve your preferred non-systemd system.
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