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LWN (Linux Weekly News) provides a written account of Benno Rice's talk. The former FreeBSD core developer gives some context around systemd and what FreeBSD should learn from it. He compares the affair to a Greek tragedy which contains much suffering followed by catharsis. His attitude toward systemd is generally not negative, but I won't cherry-pick any specific sections; you'll have to actually read the article for once.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @08:57AM (8 children)
"you'll have to actually read the article for once." means "it can't be summarized because there's no central thrust or interesting or good ideas"
ie. it can be summarized as "puff"
ie. editors, this is why we as a community have standards for submissions! Please turn DOWN submission like these, thanks, where the submitter can' be bothered to summarize. This submission is noise, not signal, and the phrasing "you have to read" is not only listicle-style but led me (and others angry in the comments here!) to waste part of my life.
As a community we can do better!
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Friday February 08 2019, @09:24AM (4 children)
I can be bothered to read it until Some Other Soylentil Lifts But A Finger.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by srobert on Friday February 08 2019, @07:52PM
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There you go. Now go read.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 09 2019, @02:21AM
MFC I lifted that finger so you don't have to.
Puff piece. All noise, no signal. Move on to other matters; this one is a compost heap to leave behind until it's rotted through into fertile soil.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 09 2019, @02:32AM (1 child)
I'm the AC. To be clear: ie. it can be summarized as "puff" refers the article - not the summary! I wasted part of my LIFE on the article and it was bad; we need to improve summaries so that we can avoid wastage like this, and also ideally better taste in articles because this is garbage. But at least if the summary existed I might've clued into that and skipped it. The summary isn't puff; there was no summary, which is its own kind of bad.
Jarinok in another comment says "The whole point of this site is the discussion following each story. Not publishing stories because you personally don't like them is not an editorial process but a form of censorship."
Jarinok that's painfully dumb. Counterpoint: it's not censorship to decline to greenlight the latest Taylor Swift gossip.
If this site starts posting garbage listicles the discussion would be bad. It's not that I don't like the story; it's not that I like or dislike systemd (you'll note I said nothing on that!); it's that THIS ARTICLE IS BAD and the summary was nil. This is an example of noise. We as a community generally do a good job of filtering noise out. It's not about liking/disliking the issue an article discusses, it's about whether that article brings meaning and information or is empty and worthless.
The ONLY way this article is NOT empty and worthless is if it serves as a "ha ha this is the best pro-side argument look at how bad it is" but that itself is straw manning in this case; there are better arguments for systemd than TFA makes. So, not publishing stories because we don't like their lack of value is an editorial process.
It's not censorship to decline to greenlight the latest Taylor Swift gossip.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday February 09 2019, @07:47AM
That statement is entirely correct - because we are not here to discuss ephemeral pop stars. But it does not apply to the story in question, which is very clearly on a topic that interests many on this site. It has generated other comments here that have been informative and of interest to many of our community.
You might have realised from the title "Systemd as Tragedy" that the story was about something that does not appear to interest you. You could have stopped reading at that point. However, it would have become apparent that the story was not one from which you would gain any personal enjoyment long before you finished reading the entire article. Perhaps you should have stopped reading at the point that you first thought that 'it is puff', That would have saved a few minutes - which apparently is a significant and valuable part of your life. I'm sorry that you know your lifespan is going to be so terribly short and you have my sympathy. There must have been several stories since the site began that were not of interest to you.
I suspect that you fall into the camp of those that dislike systemd. I have no problem with that. But you have lost several more valuable minutes of your life by commenting not on the subject under discussion but on the choice made by an editor to publish this story. I am genuinely sorry that you felt more strongly about the standard of editing than the subject under discussion.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday February 08 2019, @03:28PM (2 children)
The whole point of this site is the discussion following each story. Not publishing stories because you personally don't like them is not an editorial process but a form of censorship.
Many in our community have made sensible points and observations in the comments associated with this story. There has been an exchange of ideas and opinions. As I have already pointed out, people have become very polarised regarding systemd, and some of those have never even tried it. Those that have used it have offered their own experiences, which cover the entire spectrum of how useful systemd is. If you don't like someone suggesting that you read the source, or tried to but didn't enjoy reading the story perhaps you should just skip it and wait for the next one. Nobody twisted your arm to make you read it, and there is no need to be "angry" about the matter.
Personally, I think that this story meets all the requirements for our site but, if you feel that we are not editing stories the way that we should, please feel free to step up and show us all how it should be done.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 09 2019, @02:35AM (1 child)
See my reply to MDC. Who upvoted you for this? Your statement is wrongheaded in every way.
-the AC
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday February 09 2019, @07:12AM
Thank you for your constructive and erudite contribution.