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Systemd as Tragedy

posted by martyb on Friday February 08 2019, @05:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-all-geek-to-me dept.

darkfeline writes:

https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/

LWN (Linux Weekly News) provides a written account of Benno Rice's talk. The former FreeBSD core developer gives some context around systemd and what FreeBSD should learn from it. He compares the affair to a Greek tragedy which contains much suffering followed by catharsis. His attitude toward systemd is generally not negative, but I won't cherry-pick any specific sections; you'll have to actually read the article for once.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by cafebabe on Friday February 08 2019, @01:53PM (2 children)

    by cafebabe (894) on Friday February 08 2019, @01:53PM (#798286) Journal

    What's wrong with launchd? Not Invented Here [wikipedia.org] and therefore cannot be dual licensed [oss-watch.ac.uk] by RedHat.

    launchd had 13 critical security vulnerabilities since 2005 [mitre.org]. systemd had 33 critical security vulnerabilities since 2012 - nine of which were found in 2018 [mitre.org]. runit had one critical security vulnerability in 2006 [mitre.org].

    I recommend the Epoch Init System [soylentnews.org], simple-init [soylentnews.org] or the minimal init system [ewontfix.com] which have yet to incur any critical vulnerabilities.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @11:13PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @11:13PM (#798584)

    a lot of those cve have nothing to do with bug in systemd, take a look at that one : https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-11565 [mitre.org] :

    NOTE: this does not affect systems, such as default Debian stretch installations, on which Tor startup relies on a systemd unit file (instead of this tor.init script).

    entry of this type are on your list of vulnerability, your dishonest

    • (Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday February 10 2019, @03:03AM

      by Pav (114) on Sunday February 10 2019, @03:03AM (#798980)

      Has anyone noticed how hard it is getting to secure ANYTHING manually in Linux? It's not just breakages related to Tor/systemd either. eg. Due to breakages in Debian it's not even possible to download Signal in a secure way. Also, I've used GNU TLS... and insecure defaults in the other TLS libraries were gaslighted as being faults in GNU TLS (not to say GNU TLS didn't have that widely publicised bug... but that was another issue).