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posted by martyb on Friday February 08 2019, @05:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-all-geek-to-me dept.

https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/

LWN (Linux Weekly News) provides a written account of Benno Rice's talk. The former FreeBSD core developer gives some context around systemd and what FreeBSD should learn from it. He compares the affair to a Greek tragedy which contains much suffering followed by catharsis. His attitude toward systemd is generally not negative, but I won't cherry-pick any specific sections; you'll have to actually read the article for once.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by darkfeline on Friday February 08 2019, @10:30PM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Friday February 08 2019, @10:30PM (#798567) Homepage

    I'm going to attempt to have a rational discussion. Hold onto your hats folks.

    Regarding Fallacy #1, it seems like the point is that having binaries that are tightly coupled is bad. Well, it seems contradictory then that many anti-systemd proponents are fleeing to FreeBSD, where the entire core OS is tightly coupled. The main philosophical difference between Linux and BSD is that in Linux you can grab a sed from GNU and an awk from Busybox and everything works, plus or minus duct tape. Whereas UNIX/BSD traditionally ships the entire OS and you've got to use the entire thing. SUS/POSIX has done a lot of work standardizing the OS interface so at least you can interface from outside the OS even if the OS internally is tightly coupled, but in practice with the amount of extensions and the parsimony of the system API POSIX development is an act of supreme masochism.

    People who say systemd is non-Unix don't understand that it's the exact opposite: Linux is non-Unix, and systemd is a return to the roots, for better or worse.

    > Hmm... Let's see. It solves no problems that I have

    It doesn't sound like you even made an attempt so I'm not sure I can take you seriously. Can you even enumerate a dozen of systemd's features? systemd has a lot of features, and that is why RIce suggests identifying one feature and seeing if that could be used to improve your preferred non-systemd system.

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