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'It will take off like a wildfire': The unique dangers of the Washington state measles outbreak
[...] "You know what keeps me up at night?" said Clark County Public Health Director Alan Melnick. "Measles is exquisitely contagious. If you have an under-vaccinated population, and you introduce a measles case into that population, it will take off like a wildfire."
[...] Anti-vaccination activists, for their part, contend that state officials are twisting facts to stoke public fear.
"It shouldn't be called an outbreak," Seattle-area mother Bernadette Pajer, a co-founder of the state's main anti-vaccine group, Informed Choice Washington, said of the measles cases, arguing that the illness has spread only within a small, self-contained group. "I would refer to it as an in-break, within a community."
[...] Clements eventually changed her mind, deciding to give her kids the shots after a doctor at a vaccine workshop answered her questions for more than two hours, at one point drawing diagrams on a whiteboard to explain cell interaction. He was thoughtful, factual and also "still very warm," she said.
[...] In Washington, state lawmakers supporting tougher vaccine requirements are mounting their second effort in the past three years to make it harder for parents to opt out of vaccinations.
(Score: 5, Informative) by bob_super on Friday February 08 2019, @06:25PM (20 children)
STOP REPEATING LIES !!!
Dangerous ones at that.
Vaccines aren't 100% effective. Not 100% of people who want them can get the vaccines, because of real allergies.
So, for the people who can't, and the people who did but it didn't take, just do your fucking part to get the population to the 90+% required for proper herd immunity that prevents catastrophic spread.
AND STOP SAYING/TYPING LIES THAT GET PEOPLE HURT, MORONS !
Because this is 2019, and this is "the greatest country in the world", so why the fuck are we discussing measles outbreaks ?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday February 08 2019, @06:27PM (7 children)
Because goddam Christian nutbag rednecks don't vaccinate their damn kids! [vox.com]
And I'm sure all that third-world filth pouring in through our Southern border isn't going to help things much, either.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Friday February 08 2019, @07:04PM
If you had used a Fox citation along with the Vox citation to argue the same point, THAT would have been pretty epic.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @07:05PM (4 children)
If you are to be believed* about your ancestry then I'd say you have a solid point....
*hawhaw
(Score: 1, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday February 08 2019, @07:08PM (3 children)
I'm more Hispanic than Beto and more Native American than Elizabeth Warren, that's for goddamn sure.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @08:16PM
So you admit you're third world filth huh? Given any thought to running in 2020? I'm sure the Trumptards would overwhelmingly support a racist minority, then they get to say "but we elected a mexican!" while continuing to be (mostly) awful people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @09:41PM (1 child)
...and stupider than a potted plant.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Sulla on Friday February 08 2019, @11:46PM
As we can see from the Democrats love of AOC and Spartacus they aren't exactly qualifying their people on their intellect, I think EF would fit right in.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @09:39PM
That's just stupid of you.
(Score: 0, Troll) by noneof_theabove on Friday February 08 2019, @07:39PM (3 children)
HERD IMMUNITY means absolutely nothing except that when the vaccine fails 100% of those vaccinated are going to have a bad week.
The only one I have had [got sick] is mumps and I still my tonsils, so being born in 1954, I watch for any illness that jacks with my throat.
#1 WAG - wild ass guess
#2 EWAG - educated wild ass guess
Will this years vaccine for the flu work, usually results in a #1 answer.
Natural immunity is the best, second to natural remedies.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Friday February 08 2019, @07:57PM
Either you're trolling or you're an ignorant idiot, and a dangerous one at that.
May I invite you to take a one-way trip to central Africa?
(Score: 4, Informative) by SemperOSS on Friday February 08 2019, @08:19PM (1 child)
If I understand it correctly, you are saying that herd immunity is not a fact but a (possibly educated) guess?
Not so.
CDC — and similar institutions all over the world — have more than just simulations and other calculations to show the reality of the herd effect, they have actual observations supporting it. Not understanding this is just plain asinine.
I don't need a signature to draw attention to myself.
Maybe I should add a sarcasm warning now and again?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Friday February 08 2019, @11:23PM
Not understanding it is defensible. Not understanding it and having a strong opinion is... Well, someone who does that doesn't deserve to live through it.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @10:30PM (5 children)
Also, please STOP SHOUTING HALF TRUTHS!!!
Not only are the vaccines not 100% effective in those who get them, they are also not 100% harmless. Proving vaccine injury in court to collect from the fund is excessively difficult, only a very small percentage of the vaccine injured even attempt it.
Fever spike of 105F+ in the hours following a standard round of 30 month old vaccinations, combination of ibuprofen acetaminophen and ice pack therapy got it down to 103 after 2 hours in the E.R. - luckily without seizures. Lasting effects? Undoubtedly, but what's the cost of trying to prove that in court?
(Score: 4, Informative) by bob_super on Friday February 08 2019, @10:45PM (4 children)
The risk/reward math always falls on the "reward" side, for those highly-transmissible killers.
At the society level.
At the personal level, it really sucks when you're the one with the adverse effects.
But that makes it even more important that anyone who doesn't have a strong reaction to vaccines DO get them, to protect the ones who can't.
No non-medical exemptions.
(Score: 3, Informative) by sonamchauhan on Saturday February 09 2019, @04:45AM (2 children)
Good point.
Typically, you won't know you need a medical exemption until after the adverse reaction hits.
In the meantime, you can take sensible precautions. Wait until older. Spread out doses. Never combine vaccines. Read ingredients, and select less harmful versions. Don't immunise against low risk illnesses (e.g., the flu, if you're not going to die from having it)
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Saturday February 09 2019, @09:13AM
I don't know about America, but in most of the world, all the related risks are very low, however the risks of delaying the vaccine (and thereby increasing the time you are a potential victim of the disease) are considerably greater than the reduction in risk of the vaccine, at least in part because if you are at risk from the vaccine, you are at much higher risk from the actual disease.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 09 2019, @02:09PM
This is what is referred to as paranoia or border line delusional schizophrenia. In a world where you are surrounded by chemicals of all sorts, that you eat and breathe or otherwise absorb, you are worried about a mass-fucking-produced tiny vaccine that has been checked and verified for safety? You are seriously worried about "harmful ingredients" there?? But I guess you are also one of these people that doesn't buckle seat belts because they will trap you in a burning wreck and prevent your miraculous escape?
Rational fucking thinking - go get some.
Except the flu is not a vaccine that actually works well, so you picked the worse fucking example. And every disease is low-risk, until it kills you.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 10 2019, @08:08PM
you wouldn't be such a suck ass if you had kids or grand kids that were vaccine damaged. except that you probably do, you just don't know it b/c they were only damaged enough to drop their iq by 20 points.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 09 2019, @03:04AM
SN will really hit the big time when such an informative rebuttal as this causes the OP's outright worthless POS post to never see the light of day.
(Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Saturday February 09 2019, @03:39AM
Being the "greatest country in the world" includes having the greatest measles outbreaks. Glad I live in a regular country where about the only great thing you can say about us is that we're not Americans.