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posted by martyb on Thursday February 14 2019, @06:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the scientific-method dept.

Earlier this month, a long kept list of Ph.D. scientists who “dissent from Darwinism” reached a milestone — it crossed the threshold of 1,000 signers.

“There are 1,043 scientists on the ‘A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism’ list. It passed the 1,000 mark this month,” said Sarah Chaffee, a program officer for the Discovery Institute, which maintains the list.

“A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism” is a simple, 32-word statement that reads: “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

https://www.thecollegefix.com/more-than-1000-scientists-sign-dissent-from-darwinism-statement/


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by turgid on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:26PM (5 children)

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:26PM (#801218) Journal

    None of this is to say I agree with them, or that they are being perfect scientists about this, only that our response should more "Show me the science" than "Stupid creationists".

    No, our response should be, "Shut up and go away." They're just doing yet another Denial of Service attack on enlightened people, wasting time, undoing centuries of progress and eroding good will and harmony.

    They are wreckers.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:33PM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:33PM (#801258) Journal

    Stupid Creationists!

    My question of late is "If you are so rich, why aren't you smart?" These "institutes" always seem to be funded by some billionaire who thinks his money makes him smarter than the rest of us, and entitled to a larger voice, AKA "Citizens United".

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 14 2019, @11:55PM (3 children)

    by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 14 2019, @11:55PM (#801287) Journal

    That is a terrible analogy, signing a statement that you are skeptical about "darwinism" doesn't prevent real science from happening, the time they waste is their own, they absolutely haven't invalidated anything, and I would argue the ones eroding good will and harmony are the ones who respond "shut up and go away".

    Let's make this a game, if you say "show me the science" you get one of two results
    If they can disprove evolution, the world benefits from their results. Literally everybody wins.
    or
    If they can't, then you can point to their absolute lack of data, compared to your own voluminous, properly reviewed, and consistent data, and let that data speak for itself. You win.

    Conversely if you tell them "Shut up and go away", you make their belief that you are preventing them from doing science factual, you have justified their beliefs of persecution. Whether they are right or not, you are only benefiting them.

    As long as their argument is couched as science, the only correct response is "show me the science". Another response may be appropriate if the argument is made from a different position.

    Make no mistake, if you push the idea the science contains any unquestionable truths, you are pushing a religion.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by turgid on Friday February 15 2019, @12:15AM (1 child)

      by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 15 2019, @12:15AM (#801293) Journal

      You misunderstand my point. In this particular case (Darwinian evolution) they are deliberately ignoring 150 years of hard science. There is no value in their challenges. There is nothing we can explain to them that isn't already common knowledge. They could have educated themselves with minimal effort. In civilised countries we even give them a free education.

      So upon whose shoulders is it?

      • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Friday February 15 2019, @12:37AM

        by insanumingenium (4824) on Friday February 15 2019, @12:37AM (#801306) Journal

        Do I?

        My position is "show me the science", not "show them our science". If they doubt evolution, they are more than welcome to come up with better ideas, if they can.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Friday February 15 2019, @02:58AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 15 2019, @02:58AM (#801357) Journal

      the time they waste is their own

      Oh, grow up, stop being so naive [wikipedia.org], it will come and hurt you later.

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