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posted by martyb on Thursday February 14 2019, @06:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the scientific-method dept.

Earlier this month, a long kept list of Ph.D. scientists who “dissent from Darwinism” reached a milestone — it crossed the threshold of 1,000 signers.

“There are 1,043 scientists on the ‘A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism’ list. It passed the 1,000 mark this month,” said Sarah Chaffee, a program officer for the Discovery Institute, which maintains the list.

“A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism” is a simple, 32-word statement that reads: “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

https://www.thecollegefix.com/more-than-1000-scientists-sign-dissent-from-darwinism-statement/


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  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:45PM (3 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:45PM (#801232) Journal

    If you are talking about God as Christians define it-- supernatural, omnipotent, and omniscient-- that's a loaded question. It presumes that God is part of the natural world, and His existence (or lack) can be discovered through scientific methods. That's much the same mistake Creationists make.

    The answer is that there is no natural phenomena that can expose whether we are in a supernaturally perfect simulation of reality, or are in reality. If God wants to exert His supernatural power to reveal Himself to us, He can do so. Just use that omnipotent power to simply make everyone accept His existence. Or make a bunch of miracles happen, that is, events that are impossible to explain as natural phenomena, and which we can tell are impossible.. Apart from that, no.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @01:17AM (#801322)

    The answer is that there is no natural phenomena that can expose whether we are in a supernaturally perfect simulation of reality, or are in reality.

    Errr...that was kind of my point. I doubt that there is any natural phenomena/experiment that would be convincing to an atheist/agnostic.

    If God wants to exert His supernatural power to reveal Himself to us, He can do so. Just use that omnipotent power to simply make everyone accept His existence.

    So, you would be OK with being transmogrified into a mindless drone? While some creationists might like that, this idea just leaves me cold. YMMV, I guess.

    Or make a bunch of miracles happen, that is, events that are impossible to explain as natural phenomena, and which we can tell are impossible.

    I am going to write something which may, at first, look heretical, but it is actually not. As a scientist, I don't "prove" scientific theories. My work is to demonstrate that a given set of data is consistent with a given theory. (Or not, as the case may be.) When I am presented with data that goes against the current paradigm, my first reaction is not "A miracle must have occurred!" My first reaction is, "Wow! That was strange. I wonder what caused my experiment to fuck up?" If I get more data that confirms the first set of data, my next question is what could be wrong with the theory. My colleagues will not be impressed with "a miracle must have occurred" as an explanation. Just so you know.

    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday February 15 2019, @08:52AM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday February 15 2019, @08:52AM (#801465) Journal

      But is there a possible phenomenon where the only reasonable theory explaining it would be "a god did it"?

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 15 2019, @02:26PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 15 2019, @02:26PM (#801535) Journal

    If God wants to exert His supernatural power to reveal Himself to us

    Reveal what, exactly? It's not like we have built-in God detectors that can determine when we're speaking to an omnipotent, omniscience being rather than a really powerful being with good information sources. This whole thing is an exercise in futility on many levels.