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"President Trump will sign the border security compromise package on Capitol Hill to avert another government shutdown and will take the extraordinary step of declaring a national emergency to obtain funding for the border wall, the White House announced Thursday."
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(Score: 1, Troll) by physicsmajor on Friday February 15 2019, @10:00AM (20 children)
Says the person who presents no supporting evidence whatsoever for their position.
Physical barriers demonstrably reduce illegal crossings. Like a lock on your home, everything is at some level delay and/or illusion - social engineering, lockpicking, breaking a window instead - someone determined can gain entry.
So do you lock your doors at night, or leave them wide open?
Oh, and do you have an issue with the huge number of illegal aliens creating massive drains on our welfare, education, medical, and social systems who are paying nothing in return? You know, the services which won't exist when you get to be a senior citizen at current rates? The rate of influx of this population will be most reduced by a physical barrier, even if imperfect.
Bring evidence if you want to contest these facts.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Friday February 15 2019, @10:33AM (3 children)
As it happens, nowadays (summertime) at night, my front door is closed but not locked, my back door is only a plastic fly screen with a hole for the cat to get out when she pleases.
No, I don't own any gun, no need for it.
Nope. None what so ever.
If you don't like it, choose a country with less powerful corporations and more social protection. Your choice.
I can't be bothered. You'll have all the time in the world to ponder on the mystery why the hell your crime rate is still high and drugs are plenty and illegal (cheap labour) immigrants are still plenty in spite of that wall expensive wall
Not that I wish you all these things, but they'll happen anyway (hint: follow the money, you'll figure out why. Or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @04:03PM (2 children)
Says the guy who DOES NOT LIVE in El Paso or San Diego.
(Score: 2) by tekk on Friday February 15 2019, @07:33PM (1 child)
Of the top 30 largest cities in the country, San Diego is the safest both in terms of murders and violent crime in general: https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/2018_09_CrimeUpdate_V2.pdf [brennancenter.org]
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @11:42PM
Don't confuse physicsmajor with facts! He's got a raging Republican paranoia going! Don't kill the buzz!
Seriously, that stuff with the amygdala brain seems to be correct: Trump supporters seem to get a rush of endorphins from being scared shitless, worrying about foreigners or Shriners coming to rape and kill them, though not necessarily in that order.
(Score: 2) by hoeferbe on Friday February 15 2019, @01:58PM (2 children)
Yes, but how how effective would Trump's wall be versus the cost?
Watch: 110 migrants use ladder to scale border wall in Arizona [tucson.com]
And is illegal boarder crossings ("entries without inspection" [EWI]) really the source of the USA's number of illegal immigrants?
Visa Overstays Outnumber Illegal Border Crossings, Trend Expected to Continue [nbcnews.com]
In fairness, I must note that despite the NBC News article's headline, I don't really see the proof in its text of the assertion that visa overstays outnumber EWIs. They just parrot the ~40% visa overstay number and never give a percentage for EWIs. The same is true of other online news reports that I found. Still, I assume EWIs must be less than 40% or it wouldn't have made the news.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:18AM (1 child)
That 110 migrants story doesn't make the point that the wall is useless, quite the contrary in fact. They caught the 110 because of the wall.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 2) by hoeferbe on Sunday February 17 2019, @03:20PM
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ilsa on Friday February 15 2019, @03:05PM (10 children)
How about you first? All you've posted are suppositions, and even those are wrong.
If you had truly done your research as you claim you've supposedly done, you would have known that passive security measures only "keep honest people honest". They are completely useless against anyone who is determined to bypass them. There is a MASSIVE difference between petty crooks looking to score easy loot, and someone trying to escape a country. For these people, the wall is worse than useless because it wastes a lot of money that could have been spent on far more effective measures.
This is, of course, assuming your argument of "huge numbers of illegal aliens" is even true. The right is extremely fond of blowing up numbers to many many orders of magnitude in order to create easy-to-knockdown strawmen and keep the conservative outrage engine running. And if facts arn't easy to come by or manipulate, they will make them up completely (low hanging fruit: the child prostitution ring run out of a pizzaria).
So yeah, how about YOU bring up the facts first, since literally the most basic of google searches refute your "argument".
Oh, and if you're so concerned about social services, maybe you should spend less time worried about walls and more time worried about how the Republicans are doing everything they can to destroy those services without help from anyone else.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @03:42PM (1 child)
Didn't congress just approve sending Israel $2 billion (~$200 million/yr for 10 years) for their own wall? https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Trumps-2019-budget-request-includes-200-millon-increase-to-Israel-542467 [jpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @06:42AM
There goes you social security at the senior age, to be buried into a concrete wall that does nothing for you.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 15 2019, @03:52PM (7 children)
True, passive security measures don't actually "do" anythingl. But, if we do like Israel, and put armed troops along the wall, then the wall becomes far more meaningful.
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Friday February 15 2019, @07:15PM (6 children)
That is true. Of course, that border is pretty darn big so it will take a lot of guards to cover the whole distance. I don't even want to know how expensive THAT would be.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 15 2019, @07:34PM (5 children)
There are already more than enough guards in Texas to do the job. We don't make the guards trudge the length of the border, wearing out their boot soles, though. Choppers and jeeps, SUV's, maybe even some ATV's. Fort Hood has it all, ready to rock and roll.
That argument against using troops for police action? Not applicable. We are being invaded, so the army can legitimately be used to defend against the invasion.
Cost? No one counts the cost when they want to send those troops overseas to bomb brown people's homes. I think maybe we could save some money using those troops to patrol the wall. No bombs necessary, just small arms. It's highly unlikely that we would ever see an incident that required a heavy machine gun.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @08:18PM (1 child)
bullshit
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @11:45PM
Nah, just Runaway's craven cowardice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @08:40PM (1 child)
...by people seeking jobs and a better future for their kids. Everybody run for your lives!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @07:49PM
And their very first act in the USA is to commit a crime. Off to a good start.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 16 2019, @12:42AM
I'm more partial to the Rawkit Lawn Chair than the Heavy Machine Gun myself, but to each their own...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 15 2019, @04:21PM
Says the person who presents no supporting evidence whatsoever for their position.
Bring evidence if you want to contest these facts.
And your evidence is where, exactly?
(Score: 5, Informative) by urza9814 on Friday February 15 2019, @04:27PM
How about you bring some evidence of your own for these fairy tales you're spewing?
Undocumented immigrants generally do pay taxes. Firstly because they're afraid of getting deported if they don't, and secondly because for many taxes they have no choice -- you can't just refuse sales tax, you can't refuse payroll tax (your employer can, but that's the employer committing the crime, not the employee.) These same immigrants who DO pay taxes also tend to underutilized public services, because they're afraid to give out their information because they're afraid of getting deported.
According to a report from the Congressional Budget Office, "immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.":
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration [nap.edu]