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European Automakers Impressed by Tesla Model 3

posted by martyb on Sunday February 17 2019, @11:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the not-as-easy-as-it-looks dept.

An Anonymous Coward writes:

https://electrek.co/2019/02/09/tesla-model-3-cost-surprise-porsche-audi-reverse-engineering/:

Tesla Model 3 is now entering the European market and it is making some automakers nervous. According to a new report, Porsche and Audi reverse-engineered Tesla’s new electric car and they were quite surprised by its cost.

[...] During the early production ramp up, it was difficult to get your hands on a Model 3, but some automakers paid a pretty penny to be amongst the first to be able to check out the new electric car.

About a year ago, two Model 3 vehicles were spotted on their way to Germany – presumably to be reverse-engineered.

Later, a report came out about a German automaker being impressed by Model 3 after reverse-engineering it.

Now a new report from Germany’s Manager Magazin [in German and paywalled] includes a deep dive into the state of Audi with comments from executives and insider sources.

It claims that Porsche and Audi, who are working together on a next-generation electric platform, had to change their approach because the cost was too high compared to what Tesla is achieving.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 18 2019, @11:55AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 18 2019, @11:55AM (#802913)

    The problem here (out on the Montana plains) is that a great deal of driving must be done in very hot or very cold weather, and the environmental systems on EV's consume huge amounts of power.

    No they don't....

    https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/effect-of-speed-air-conditioning-and-wheels-on-range.96935/ [teslamotorsclub.com]

  • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Monday February 18 2019, @05:17PM

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Monday February 18 2019, @05:17PM (#803049) Journal

    No they don't....

    Yeah, they do, and that page simply reinforces the fact. 23% decrease in range at 70 MPH (our state speed limit, except on the interstate, where it is 80 MPH) with the AC on.

    Teslas already can't make the entire trip here; sucking about a quarter of the range off just for driving normal speeds with the AC on... that's a severe hit. That means that (assuming no interstate) a Tesla would need a range of 375 miles on a full charge over its battery lifetime to even limp into the city with the car exhausted. And of course you need more margin than that anyway. Passing, any option at all for side excursions, detours... etc.

    Tesla's not even close right now.

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