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posted by martyb on Tuesday February 19 2019, @05:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the how-many-candidates-are-there-now? dept.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)........is launching a second run for the White House in 2020." breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/19/bernie-sanders-2020-bid

"Reaction to the news was split......with some supporting the 77-year-old and others upset with the move." foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-pokes-fun-at-bernie-sanders-2020-announcement-as-reaction-splits-on-candidacy


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Tuesday February 19 2019, @10:09PM (8 children)

    by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Tuesday February 19 2019, @10:09PM (#803699) Homepage Journal

    Representative democracies have jumped the shark already,

    With what would you replace it, friend? Monarchy? Rotating rule by whoever tops Forbes' list of richest Americans [forbes.com] each year? Gladitorial combat amongst those who wish to lead?

    Do tell.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by loonycyborg on Tuesday February 19 2019, @10:38PM (3 children)

    by loonycyborg (6905) on Tuesday February 19 2019, @10:38PM (#803717)

    It's already turning into monarchy. Bushes, clintons, on my.. And no president can win without expensive campaign funded by the richest people. It's not like I'm suggesting any revolutions but people should participate in government's work more actively than with elections. We need to move all world's government closer to things like direct democracy and Swaraj [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:13PM (2 children)

      by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:13PM (#803744) Homepage Journal

      It's already turning into monarchy. Bushes, clintons, on my.. And no president can win without expensive campaign funded by the richest people. It's not like I'm suggesting any revolutions but people should participate in government's work more actively than with elections. We need to move all world's government closer to things like direct democracy and Swaraj [wikipedia.org]

      The president (at least here in the US) does not the whole government make. In fact, the Congress is (although they have tended to abrogate their responsibilities over the past few decades) intended to be co-equal with the Executive branch.

      Direct democracy is fine for many purposes. However, where it falls down pretty regularly is in the protection of minorities, whether they be ethnic, political, social and/or geographic.

      The issues with the US system of government isn't the system per se. The issues stem from the lack of a broader range of individuals, ideas and debates caused by the need for large sums of money to successfully compete in elections.

      Mandatory public funding of elections, strict limits on lobbying and strong rules against "revolving door" governance would go a long way to fix such issues.

      Do I have all the answers? No. However, it's pretty clear that the unrestricted flow of money into our political system tilts power strongly in favor of a small group of individuals and corporations. Removing that flow of money is a critical piece to any meaningful reforms.

      Sadly, those empowered to make such reforms are the very people who benefit the most from the current system.

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      • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:48PM

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:48PM (#803766) Journal

        Congress is ...intended to be co-equal with the Executive branch.

        While this is in no wise invalidating what you are saying, I would argue that congress was intended to be the preeminent branch.

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by fyngyrz on Wednesday February 20 2019, @05:06PM

        by fyngyrz (6567) on Wednesday February 20 2019, @05:06PM (#804048) Journal

        However, it's pretty clear that the unrestricted flow of money into our political system tilts power strongly in favor of a small group of individuals and corporations.

        The term is oligarchy. [wikipedia.org]

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  • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Wednesday February 20 2019, @12:21AM

    by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday February 20 2019, @12:21AM (#803776)

    With what would you replace it, friend?

    At this point, I think our best option is to randomly select a citizen each year. Perhaps secretly exclude anyone who is a member of a political party. Strictly police the emoluments clause so that President-for-a-year doesn't abuse the position for personal gain.

    Either that or just give it to Judge Judy for life.

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday February 20 2019, @09:21AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 20 2019, @09:21AM (#803929) Journal

    Gladitorial combat amongst those who wish to lead?

    Yes, yes, yes. The prize, however, must be putting the winner out of her/his misery, that's the only way to make sure you don't end being led by a psychopath.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @06:59PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @06:59PM (#804118)

    With what would you replace it, friend?

    Dictatorship of the proletariat according to the Transitional Plan (the one that deals with the Death Agony of Capitalism), which should give way to a kind of federated libertarian socialism once counterrevolution has died out.

    Of course, the idea of socialism in one country is bunk, and so the dictatorship of the proletariat must be put into power by the process of permanent revolution.

    My estimate is that a socialist culture will begin to emerge after 40 years of wandering in the desert of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the future history of Star Trek (between the Bell Riots and N-Day) also roughly agrees, so this must simply be the way it is done.

    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Wednesday February 20 2019, @11:22PM

      by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Wednesday February 20 2019, @11:22PM (#804274) Homepage Journal

      With what would you replace it, friend?

      Dictatorship of the proletariat according to the Transitional Plan (the one that deals with the Death Agony of Capitalism), which should give way to a kind of federated libertarian socialism once counterrevolution has died out.

      Of course, the idea of socialism in one country is bunk, and so the dictatorship of the proletariat must be put into power by the process of permanent revolution.

      My estimate is that a socialist culture will begin to emerge after 40 years of wandering in the desert of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the future history of Star Trek (between the Bell Riots and N-Day) also roughly agrees, so this must simply be the way it is done.

      I guess someone hasn't read his Santayana, or at least hasn't taken it to heart.

      Lord Acton [wikipedia.org] pegged it, and long before the numerous failed attempts at creating a socialist paradise through revolution and the so-called "dictatorship of the proletariat."

      That's not to say that capitalism coupled with democracy or (small 'r') republicanism are the best systems. They are, as Mr. Churchill rightly pointed out:

      Many forms of Gov­ern­ment have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pre­tends that democ­ra­cy is per­fect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democ­ra­cy is the worst form of Gov­ern­ment except for all those oth­er forms that have been tried from time to time.…
      [emphasis added]

      I don't pretend to have all the answers, but it's clear that as long as there is scarcity, there will be those who will seek to control more resources than others. As such, it makes more sense (and fetttered capitalism along with democracy has done much better at this than any other system we've tried so far) to attempt to create a world without scarcity, where we all may create the lives and meaning that we choose.

      Is that a pipe dream? Maybe. Will we achieve such a society without upheaval and violence? Probably not. Is it a worthy goal? Most certainly.

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      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr