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posted by FatPhil on Thursday February 21 2019, @06:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the mob-rules dept.

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

On Friday, the EU Commission published a piece on Medium that suggested that Google has taken over the minds of millions of citizens, rendering them incapable of thinking for themselves in their opposition of Article 13. The piece was later deleted with a note implying that people simply aren't capable of understanding the subtle nuances of the English language.

Last week the European Parliament and European Council agreed on the final text of the EU Copyright Directive.

Supporters of Article 13 say this will lead to a better deal for the entertainment industries at the expense of Google's YouTube, since it will have to obtain proper licenses for content uploaded to platform, while taking responsibility for infringing uploads.

Opponents, on the other hand, believe that the Article 13 proposals will be bad news for the Internet as a whole, since they have the potential to stifle free speech and expression, at the very least.

It's important to note that Article 13 opponents come in all shapes and sizes, some more militant than others. However, last Friday the EU Commission took the 'one size fits all approach' by labeling every dissenting voice as being part of a "mob", one groomed, misinformed and misled by Google. [...]>

Source: https://torrentfreak.com/eu-commission-deletes-article-13-post-because-mob-understood-it-incorrectly-190218/

I'm not sure who in the world [h]as the expectation that lawmakers be clear and unambiguous in all their communications. But even putting that aside, it might be fun to have a quick game of logical fallacy spotting on both sides of this spat. Alas one might start with some anti-EU-commission bias, thinking that they don't understand how the internet works, as they appear to think that you can "delete" things that have appeared on the internet. Aww, how cute! -- Ed.(FP)


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Thursday February 21 2019, @06:07PM (14 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday February 21 2019, @06:07PM (#804595)

    I took a 30 second video of my 13 year old son at a dance, obviously the music playing at the time dominated the audio track. I shared this video on YouTube and it was watched a total of 7 times over the next 3 years, three times by his mom, and once each by a couple of scattered family members.

    Last month, I received a "commercial use violation notice" or some-such thing from Google/YouTube. We weren't "monitizing" our seven views, but apparently now the copyright holder for the music playing in the video is eligible to receive advertising revenue from the eighth and all future views of my video that happens to have their audio playing muffled and indistinctly in it.

    If this is the way that it is, that's fine - I just want remuneration for the time I spend reading all the crap that comes to my e-mail inbox, especially for things like this.

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @06:58PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @06:58PM (#804627)

    I haven't found the news story yet, but there was a YouTube video hit with a takedown notice for alleged copyrighted music playing... a steady single note in the background.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:19PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:19PM (#804646)

      Here it is, it was "white noise"... https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523 [bbc.com]

      • (Score: 2) by NateMich on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:48PM

        by NateMich (6662) on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:48PM (#804668)

        The very article mentions the continuous tone the previous poster was talking about.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by zocalo on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:21PM (3 children)

      by zocalo (302) on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:21PM (#804647)
      Perhaps you meant the sound of silence [nymag.com] (John Cage's 4'33", not the Simon & Garfunkel song)? While the "silence" there actually included a Justin Beiber track of all things (hence the takedown), it's still a perfectly fine example of Cage's point with the piece and and example of just how ridiculous things might get.
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      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Friday February 22 2019, @01:31AM (2 children)

        by captain normal (2205) on Friday February 22 2019, @01:31AM (#804815)

        What?? John Cage died in 1992, two years before Justin Bieber was born. Simon and Garfunkel did their last album in 1970. So even if it seemed that some noise may have sounded like a Bieber song it on the face is impossible that either Cage nor Simon and Garfunkel copied his work. Perhaps the holders of John Cage's estate should sue Bieber,

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        • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday February 22 2019, @02:58AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday February 22 2019, @02:58AM (#804832) Homepage Journal

          Quit messing up a perfectly good conspiracy theory with your damned vulcan logic.

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        • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Friday February 22 2019, @07:21AM

          by zocalo (302) on Friday February 22 2019, @07:21AM (#804928)
          RFTA. This was a later parody/performance of Cage's piece, not an original performance during Cage's time - the argument being that *anything* could be background noise on Cage's work, including the Bieber track in question. Another reply to the OP has a story of takedowns on white noise, so it appears we may have the perfect trifecta already; DMCA takedowns on silence (kinda), white noise, and a continuous tone. I'd love to hear the people that wrote it try and justify their clearly well thought out and totally fair and watertight work... /s
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  • (Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:02PM (5 children)

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:02PM (#804634) Journal

    What we need to do is fill the likes of YouTube up with home made music (no matter how bad) and claim copyright on each and every piece.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:37PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @07:37PM (#804659)

      Rap music already done dat

      • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday February 21 2019, @10:46PM

        by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday February 21 2019, @10:46PM (#804755) Journal

        Rap music already done dat

        FTFY

        Poetry? Perhaps. Sometimes, anyway. But music? No.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Thursday February 21 2019, @09:26PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday February 21 2019, @09:26PM (#804716)

      I believe their algorithm pattern matches with known monetized (commercially published, available for purchase) music. They may accept your takedown notices on a one-by-one basis to humor you, but the big machine will discretely circular-file them before applying them as a pattern search.

      On the other hand, if you're EMI or Sony, Google probably has a revenue sharing agreement under the table where they find EMI, Sony, etc. IP and monetize it for all concerned.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @09:36PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @09:36PM (#804722)

      Won't work. The music companies already have this worked out through cross-licensing: if one artist creates something that sounds too much like something already out there, the copyright gets transferred and royalties rerouted. It would be the same for your "own" compositions, the record companies will simply claim similarity to nullify your creative output.

      What does work however, is publishing your own renditions of classical music. Just make sure you use the original score and not some modern adaptation, because reprints carry their own copyright.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Monday February 25 2019, @03:44PM

        by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 25 2019, @03:44PM (#806337) Homepage Journal

        How does one find original score, and know it's original and not some more recent edited version?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @10:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @10:49PM (#804757)

    I know it is a pain. But just dispute it.