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posted by martyb on Friday February 22 2019, @05:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the keep-your-friends-close-and-your-enemies-closer? dept.

An article at vice.com reports The Number of U.S. Hate Groups Keeps Surging, Largely Thanks to Young, White men:

The number of hate groups nationwide reached a record high in 2018, driven partly by the persistent growth of white nationalist groups catering to young, college-aged men.

There are currently 1,020 active hate groups in America — up from 954 in 2017, and 917 the previous year, according to an annual tally by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The new, young face of hate emerged from the shadows during the 2016 election and organized through a shared language of memes and under the banner of the “alt-right.” Many hailed then-candidate Donald Trump, with his hard-line views on immigration, as a hero. In celebration of his election, the alt-right’s one-time de facto leader Richard Spencer led a room full of young men in suits to give Nazi salutes.

Since then, Spencer and other prominent actors, entangled in costly lawsuits and tired of being heckled by anti-fascist protesters, have faded into relative obscurity.

At the same time, groups like Identity Evropa — whose khaki-clad members were a formidable presence at the violent “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017— have proliferated and expanded their reach by setting up new chapters across the country. Patriot Front also grew significantly in 2018 after splintering from Vanguard America, the group linked to the 19-year-old neo-Nazi who rammed his car into a crowd of protesters during the Charlottesville rally and killed Heather Heyer.


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  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Captival on Friday February 22 2019, @06:36AM (50 children)

    by Captival (6866) on Friday February 22 2019, @06:36AM (#804916)

    You'd think what with all these hate groups everywhere, gay black tv stars wouldn't be forced to hire their own muggers [nytimes.com] to construct [torontosun.com] fake hate crimes [washingtonpost.com] so [lubbockonline.com] often [nytimes.com].

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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @06:49AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @06:49AM (#804920)

    Happened once. Oh, wow, that's really often.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @07:14AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @07:14AM (#804925)

      In this century, it's 100% of the supposed lynchings. To find a real lynching, you'd have to go all the way back to June 7, 1998. That then was a shock, because lynchings were already pretty much extinct. It's been well over half a century, nearly a whole century, since they were sort of common.

    • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Friday February 22 2019, @04:21PM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:21PM (#805108) Journal

      Don't forget Coventry. The media has such a hard-on for painting Trump supporters as racist it will stoop as low as possible to push that narrative.

      I'm not a Trump supporter or voter -- I'm a liberal -- but when I look at what is going on in the media I can totally comprehend how painting Trumpers into this box the media has made, might actually worsen the problem -- maybe it IS the problem.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @07:23AM (44 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @07:23AM (#804929) Journal

    And by that same logic, because 2-10% of sex assault claims are false, it never ever happens and all of us are lying whores, right?

    Christ, you will fall for anything...

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    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:05AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:05AM (#804939)

      Obviously as a tranny, you don't have anything to worry about. Nobody wants that weird pod thing that's left over after they lopped your dick off.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @04:19PM (3 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:19PM (#805105) Journal

        Oh hey, it's my fanboi again!

        I can send you a couple of used Poise pads in the mail if you like, and you can DNA test them for lack of Y chromosome, if you're so inclined. Just post your full name, mailing address, and ideally a contact phone right here on Soylent, you know, so I can make sure you get your package :)

        Seriously though: outspoken woman != transwoman. In fact, not even necessarily = gay woman. My sister is both louder and less well-read and if she liked dick any more than she already does she'd implode and pop back out as one of the Village People.

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday February 22 2019, @08:00PM (1 child)

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday February 22 2019, @08:00PM (#805285) Homepage

          Can I call you Princess Toadstool?

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @11:29PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @11:29PM (#805376) Journal

            I'm nowhere near that frilly and femme. More like Lucina, if anyone, or maybe Samus Aran before Nintendo decided to make her a petite blonde waif in a blue catsuit. I remember seeing a friend's copy of the Super Metroid guide, and it said she's 6'3" and almost 200 pounds *without* the Power Suit. And wondering why that was making me feel things.

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:20PM (#805305)

          If you mail around your DNA to online haters, there could be clones of you sold on the black market in 20-30 years.

          So don't do it.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Friday February 22 2019, @08:32AM (33 children)

      by Arik (4543) on Friday February 22 2019, @08:32AM (#804945) Journal
      "And by that same logic, because 2-10% of sex assault claims are false, it never ever happens and all of us are lying whores, right?"

      Said no one ever, seriously.

      But if, as you appear to concede, there are many false rape accusations, then it would seem to make sense to continue following our legal tradition where the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty, rather than to simply "listen and believe" whenever an accuser steps forward, wouldn't it?

      Instead we tend to treat the accusation itself like a conviction. Many men have had their lives ruined by false accusations that were proven false quickly. This is a power that women have in our society, no one thinks all women use it, no one thinks all women lie. But can you really keep a straight face and argue that *no* women lie, ever? You know that's not true. Just as some men will lie to advance their goals, so will some women.

      And if a woman is willing to lie for leverage, this particular lie is one that's very powerful, so it's one she's likely to use, or to threaten to use. Because it's effective, because it's intimidating, because even if it's a lie backed by no evidence at all the mere accusation could still cause him huge problems.

      If we really lived in a 'rape culture' that certainly wouldn't be the case, would it? The reality is quite the opposite. There's probably no worse accusation you can make of a man than that he raped a woman. You can launch wars based on lies, kill millions of people, destroy whole countries, in full public view - and far from being censured you'll become a 'grand old man' that all the news networks pay handsomely to bloviate on current events. But if even just one woman comes forward to say that you raped her 50 years ago then you have a problem.

      Think about it.
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      If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 2) by EETech1 on Friday February 22 2019, @08:48AM

        by EETech1 (957) on Friday February 22 2019, @08:48AM (#804948)

        Everybody be asking me...

        How you manage to rape that chick six years before you were born?!

        It's generational!!?

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Friday February 22 2019, @12:33PM (14 children)

        by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Friday February 22 2019, @12:33PM (#804995)

        Look at the stats you quoted. From 9 out of 10 to 49 out of 50 such accusations are true. And when multiple women accuse the same man, what are the odds it's some grand conspiracy? 0.1%? 0.001%? And this kind of thing has brought down people like Al Franken and should have brought down Bill Clinton (and Hillary for supporting him). I don't care that Bill banged other women, I do care that he had multiple rape accusations.

        How about we line up all the men who had their lives ruined by fake rape accusations and all of the women that had their lives actually ruined by rape and never got any justice, and then tell me again where society's biases lie.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Friday February 22 2019, @03:32PM (3 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Friday February 22 2019, @03:32PM (#805069) Journal
          "And when multiple women accuse the same man, what are the odds it's some grand conspiracy?"

          How about instead of trying to estimate that, we investigate each and every accusation thoroughly? Hmm?

          It's perfectly possible for people to form conspiracies like this, and it's far from unheard of.

          Every attempt to short circuit the process of justice and leap to conclusions based on mere allegation is corrosive to society and only contributes to our ongoing breakdown.

          --
          If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
          • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday February 23 2019, @04:58AM (1 child)

            by dry (223) on Saturday February 23 2019, @04:58AM (#805466) Journal

            One of the big problems is the whole legal process can be degrading and traumatic to the woman. Usually the defence tries to show the woman is a liar, a slut etc and they try really hard. Often even the cops have the same attitude.
            The legal system is really shitty in some cases, such as sexual assault, unluckily, there doesn't seem to be better alternatives.

            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:20AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:20AM (#805503)

              Asking derogatory questions vs. being arrested.

              Hmm... I know what we need to do make the process less hostile.

              Less questions - more arrests! Problem solved!

          • (Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:50PM

            by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:50PM (#805558)

            Most rape victims - including men that are sodomized - are too traumatized to contact the police immediately, which means the physical evidence is usually gone before they feel well enough to discuss the problem with anyone. And often they never feel well enough to do that. Again, look at male rape victim statistics, the numbers are smaller but the pattern is the same.

            This isn't like stealing a computer or shooting someone's dog on camera, where it's comparatively straightforward to establish guilt or innocence. Rape is incredibly hard to prosecute, many women who do contact the police are told to drop it because the district attorney doesn't believe they can get a conviction. So rape occupies a niche: something that happens all of the time that the perpetrators usually get away with.

            Do you really believe there is some kind of giant conspiracy against Harvey Weinstein and others like him just to get... what? Just to topple a Hollywood mogul for fun?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 22 2019, @04:01PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @04:01PM (#805094) Journal

          And when multiple women accuse the same man, what are the odds it's some grand conspiracy?

          Dunno . . . when I was younger, and more naive, it never would have crossed my mind that 16 women accusing the same man of rape could be lying. But, women don't exactly think like men. More, liberated women don't think like normal women. Today, I'm not willing to make any bets.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @04:22PM (4 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:22PM (#805109) Journal

            Yeah, we aren't right-thinking anymore now that we've gotten out of the kitchen and don't spend our lives trying to please men.

            Runaway, for the love of Cthulhu... Stop. Posting. You make yourself look worse and worse every time you do and you don't even realize you're doing it. You've the forum's equivalent of that embarrassing, racist old uncle at Thanksgiving who everyone suspects is in the early stages of Alzheimer's. Maybe you *are* in the early stages of Alzheimer's, for all we know.

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @06:39PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @06:39PM (#805221)

              You don't believe the promotion of victim culture has empowered vulnerable narcissists from Mattress Girl through multiple Brett Kavanaugh accusers to Jussie Smollett? Or that the media would happily return us to the hysteria of 17th Century witch trials to earn a few extra clicks?

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @10:19PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @10:19PM (#805350)

                It sure has, but as with every other aspect of humanity the shitheels are a minority. Taking such crimes as the norm is an even worse crime that undermines the legitimate cases which are the majority.

                Are you comfortable with the fact that Trump promoting racism has increased racist attacks in the US? I'll take false accusations of sexual misconduct over getting curb stomped by some asshole with an inferiority complex.

                queue "show me how Trump is racist" bullshit evasions

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @11:32PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @11:32PM (#805377)

                  Are you comfortable with the fact that Trump promoting racism has increased racist attacks in the US?

                  Obama supported BLM, Trump has done nothing remotely comparable.

                  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:34AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:34AM (#805402)

                    Neo Nazis march and one commits vehicular homicide but "both sides".

                    Keep supporting the traitor in chief, totally makes you look like a stable genius!!@!

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by hemocyanin on Friday February 22 2019, @04:24PM (3 children)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:24PM (#805110) Journal

          Rushing to judgment without real evidence or due process, is the foundation of lynching. Please don't adopt the practices of the KKK.

          • (Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:55PM (2 children)

            by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:55PM (#805561)

            As I responded above, most rape victims - including sodomized men - are too traumatized immediately after to report the crime to law enforcement. So by the time they do, the evidence is gone. That makes it a damn difficult crime to prosecute. That doesn't mean we should let any women simply send any man to prison based on an unsubstantiated accusation. But if several people start accusing one person, especially if they have nothing to gain beyond a few moments of negative publicity for the accusation, I'm inclined to take it seriously. To my knowledge nobody had video evidence of Bill Cosby drugging a woman or Harvey Weinstein raping someone. That doesn't mean there's some crazy mass conspiracy to bring each of them down.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @05:06PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @05:06PM (#805635)

              You really think multiple people wouldn't conspire for some form of secondary gain, especially when, but not limited to when, the target is rich?

              I will continue to require evidence before I convict. Secondly, that whole "low number of false accusations" is based on what? We know that people get wrongfully convicted of things frequently but we have no idea of how many that is -- if we did, nobody would be wrongfully convicted in the first place.

              https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/11/16/a-selfie-saved-a-texas-man-who-was-accused-of-a-violent-crime-heres-how-he-did-it [theblaze.com]

              • (Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Sunday February 24 2019, @03:06AM

                by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Sunday February 24 2019, @03:06AM (#805824)

                I would have to think it over more, but I'm not inclined to agree with your standard. An extremely high standard of evidence for rape convictions might prevent, say, 10 innocent men from being convicted of crimes they didn't commit. A lesser standard might result in convictions of those men - and convictions of 500 actual rapists that escaped under the higher standard. What's the bigger evil? Currently most rape goes unpunished.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @04:05PM (12 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:05PM (#805096) Journal

        My take on it is "given that in the worst possible case, there is still a 9 in 10 chance that any accuser is telling the truth, these things should not be dismissed out of hand. All accusations need to be investigated." I said outright that 2-10% of accusations are false, and now you claim I said no women lie, ever? God damn, do you ever have a reading comprehension problem.

        That said we have an example in this very thread of women playing the system and almost ending a man's life with a false accusation. Does it sound weird coming from the local lesbian feminist that I'm on his side 100%? If for no other reason than that every false accusation makes it that much harder for actual rape and assault victims to be taken seriously?

        We *do* live in a rape culture, Arik. Most assault goes completely unreported. I've never told anyone about most of what was done to me, because what would be the fucking point? I'm poor. Poor people don't get justice. Seen it happen to friends and family, too. You say there's probably no worse accusation than rape, but why? What is it about this culture that makes that such an issue?

        I'll tell you: we're still seen as objects, things with fluctuating (read: constantly depreciating) market value based on our bodies and our sexual organs and, in many cases, "sexual purity." Look, really look, at most advertisements featuring women. Our bodies are used to sell things. *Rape is still seen as a property crime by far too many people." And very often the "property" doesn't even really belong to the woman whose body it is!

        This all comes down to power and money. Those three assholes tried to screw the poster over; they had power and money over him. I class them as every bit as sociopathic as Epstein himself and gender or sex be damned, what's wrong is wrong.

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        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday February 22 2019, @05:44PM (11 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Friday February 22 2019, @05:44PM (#805180) Journal
          "All accusations need to be investigated."

          Absolutely.

          "I said outright that 2-10% of accusations are false, and now you claim I said no women lie, ever?"

          No, I didn't say that at all, quite the opposite. :/

          I was pointing out that obviously you *do* realize that women lie as you had just said so yourself.

          Accuse me of belabouring the obvious if you will, but I did not misrepresent you there.

          "Does it sound weird coming from the local lesbian feminist that I'm on his side 100%?"

          It *shouldn't* sound weird, but to some degree it does, and that's kind of what I'm trying to point it out. Perhaps I didn't make that point plainly enough but that is perhaps what bothers me the most here. This is a very bad meme and it's become shockingly prevalent. If you listen to the accused male with an open mind, you'll probably be called a traitor. If I listen to a palestinian with an open mind, I'll hear it too. Black republicans hear it all the time.

          "We *do* live in a rape culture, Arik."

          Perhaps you do. I certainly won't discount your experience. But that is not my experience. That's not the experience of anyone I've known.

          "Most assault goes completely unreported."

          While this may be true, it's quite difficult to prove. There have been different studies with different methodologies that came up with different estimates. I'm guessing you might be referring to the DoJ estimate that roughly 65% of sexual assaults were not reported in 2013, and that may be the best estimate available. But note that it does not say 'rapes' it says 'sexual assaults' which is a much broader class. The category of sexual assaults is so broad, in fact, that it's shocking to me that anyone claims not to have experienced it. "Unable to provide consent due to drug and alcohol use" - just by that line alone I was sexually assaulted repeatedly, and virtually everyone I knew in college was too. No one reported it because no one saw it as anything to report. It even includes non-physical contact (i.e. eye contact) as sexual assault. By that definition as well, I've been sexually assaulted many times, and never reported it to the police. That statistic looks very padded to me just by definition, if we're talking about rape.

          "I've never told anyone about most of what was done to me, because what would be the fucking point? I'm poor. Poor people don't get justice."

          Unfortunately *that* is *mostly* consistent with my experience. Every human society has the potential for injustice and oppression, and large societies have incredible potential to become inhuman machines that just chew people up and spit them out. That said, we've made progress. This isn't ancient egypt or medieval europe. I think it's important not to jump backwards to an even worse state.

          "You say there's probably no worse accusation than rape, but why? What is it about this culture that makes that such an issue?"

          I don't discount your experience and I think I can see your point of view. There is a difference in perspective, as we should expect.

          "I'll tell you: we're still seen as objects, things with fluctuating (read: constantly depreciating) market value based on our bodies and our sexual organs and, in many cases, "sexual purity." "

          Yes, and? Do you think men have it generally better in this regard?

          Society tends to view individuals of both sexes primarily as vehicles for it's own perpetuation. This is not particularly humane to either, at least in the case of those individuals who for whatever reason are not happy simply conforming to expectations.

          Women are seen as baby carriers in this view, I know. And as a baby carrier you're at highest value shortly after onset of menses, depreciating slowly until the late 20s and then dropping off a cliff as the stock and quality of eggs deplete. I can understand being unhappy with that. It's kind of grim, isn't it?

          But from that same point of view, the outlook for men is even more grim. Where a fertile young woman is treated as intrinsically valuable in this analysis, as a source of those extraordinarily valuable eggs, the male is treated more like a single sperm swimming among 100 million. He's emphatically *not* treated as intrinsically valuable. The egg isn't chasing him, he's running a race to get to her. He'll probably lose the race, and no one will care a bit. He needs to run that race, and he needs to win, before anyone is going to give a damn about him to begin with.

          "*Rape is still seen as a property crime by far too many people." And very often the "property" doesn't even really belong to the woman whose body it is!"

          The only time I've experienced anything like that attitude it's been people from other countries with very different mores. Not from any of the red state USA yokels, never, though I've spent the bulk of my life surrounded by them.

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          If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @06:38PM (10 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @06:38PM (#805218) Journal

            The key difference here is that this system is imposed by men on men *and* women. THIS is why I keep saying men need feminism and feminism needs men: when ordinary men open their eyes and see what "the patriarchy" is doing to them as well, and how it then manipulates them to vent their suffering on women, it's a complete game changer. I tend to use the word kyriarchy rather than patriarchy for this very reason, and have a class-based although not Marxist approach to feminism.

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @07:05PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @07:05PM (#805247)

              I tend to use the word kyriarchy rather than patriarchy for this very reason, and have a class-based although not Marxist approach to feminism.

              Patria means family, for those under any illusion about the true intent of Marxists.

            • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday February 22 2019, @07:05PM (8 children)

              by Arik (4543) on Friday February 22 2019, @07:05PM (#805248) Journal
              "this system is imposed by men on men *and* women."

              Imposed by men alone? Which men, specifically? All men?

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              If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
              • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:40PM (7 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:40PM (#805317)

                No not by men alone, plenty of women drink the regressive kool-aid. Also not all men, but definitely most. This is rarely intentional and more a byproduct of society's evolution. There are many things we do that seem perfectly normal because that is how we grew up. Like gamers who grew up using "faggot" as a generic insult, or boomers who grew up with their racist family telling bad jokes. We often see things as harmless humor until someone explains the real world effects such things have.

                Saying women "ask for it" by wearing sexy clothes is one example. "Locker room" talk. "Just a joke" racism, disregarding someone's personal story with "nah they weren't actually being racist maybe it was more innocent." That last one I was guilty of recently, I downplayed an old white lady who said "speakee eeenglish" to a brown skinned kid who was wearing a south-american style sweatshirt. Even if he wasn't US born and raised it is still an offensive way to address a customer.

                We are all responsible for our actions even if they stem from circumstances beyond our control. Some PC stuff is ridiculous and people need to be a little more understanding of mistakes when no offense was intended, but on the flip side the anti-PC brigade (so many of the posters here) needs to realize that it isn't OK to be offensive.

                THE most important behavior for this is simply apologizing if you offended someone and trying to not repeat the mistake. It is totally fine to apologize for something even if you didn't intend it to be offensive, and these days being able to do so is a sign of strength.

                If someone tells you that you are evil for being a white male well that is stupid bigotry and you are free to say "that's racist/prejudiced, I haven't done anything to you" or some such. It swings both ways, but right now white conservative males are freaking THE FUCK OUT because they are getting a taste of prejudice. It is pathetic, put on the big boy pants and weather the storm. It will calm down, but not if you keep refusing to acknowledge the real issues.

                Want to start down the healing path? Easy. Support Kaepernick, that is an easy win against police sanctioned murder.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @09:43PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @09:43PM (#805335)

                  ^^
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                    ‿
                  The parent is the most reasonable post I have ever seen on SN, in it's five years of existence! +5 Rational mod!

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @11:17PM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @11:17PM (#805368) Journal

                  I'm out of mod points, else this would have been hit with a +1 so fast it would have shown an appreciable blueshift :) THANK YOU for providing one of the few and all too rare voices of reason in what is becoming an increasingly more virulent swamp of RWA poison.

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                • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:11AM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:11AM (#805417)

                  Not but a couple.. because flamebait..

                  Saying women "ask for it" by wearing sexy clothes

                  When a woman wears pasties, goes out, gets drunk, tells her friends to fuck off, goes out with a guy she doesn't know, there's nothing that anyone can do for that woman. You seem to not know the definition of the phrase, "Asking for it".

                  Asking for it is when someone is performing an action with a consequent known to any reasonable person, and the vast majority of unreasonable people.

                  So, examples of "asking for it" would be:

                  - Talking back to your parents, knowing you'll be spanked
                  - Applying to join a gang, and getting beat up for initiation
                  - Paying for something online by wire transfer, and not receiving the item
                  - Getting beligerently drunk with a group of people you don't know, passing out, and having your wallet stolen
                  - Getting beligerently drunk as a female with a gang who is "so much fun", and getting a train run on you

                  These things are known even to _dumb_ people. You can't fix stupid. Further, there is _NOTHING_ that can be done to help these people short of sending a police escort with them at all times, but of course that wouldn't be accepted.

                  Going out in a sexy dress? Hey cool. Flagging down some random guy on a bike in a sexy dress, smiling and licking your lips, and asking him if he knows where you can get some coke? (This has actually happened to me) -- you're just asking to be taken to some random place and use you for whatever the hell anyone wants -- sold to someone else, robbed, sexual assaulted, or perhaps to find out what flesh feels like when it's filleted. We know the absolute conclusion of this behavior, and it is these times when we say a person is "asking for it". When there is nothing that any person can do to help the person, and when the person did something so stupid anyone would laugh at them knowing their inevitable misfortune -- like strapping gutted fish to you and diving with sharks without a cage.

                  "Locker room" talk.

                  If you had any idea what males go through growing up. That whole "Thicken skin" thing? It's actually _important_, lest you be offended by Free Speech, and try to restrict others' rights because you don't have a thick enough skin to survive in _any_ society.

                  "Just a joke" racism

                  Don't like it? Don't be friends with the person. I know, I know, you want to throw away the first ten amendments. Hey, lets get rid of the 14th amendment too, while we're at it!

                  disregarding someone's personal story with "nah they weren't actually being racist maybe it was more innocent."

                  Oh My Gawd you disrespected me, POLICE!!! ARREST THAT MAN!! because of course only _males_ are capable of disrespect.

                  That last one I was guilty of recently, I downplayed an old white lady..

                  Wow.. so you're a male. I do hope you spent a mandatory term in prison. Congratulations, you're a criminal. Or, you would be, if you actually had your way with the legal system in this country. (Or are you a member of the One True Hate Group, excepted from such trials?)

                  Consider how women are documented as acting, what is expected of people who want to do something technical, acting on technical grounds. Consider the offense that men are commiting by _existing_.
                  http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 [ibiblio.org]

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @05:51AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @05:51AM (#805476)

                    Flagging down some random guy on a bike in a sexy dress, smiling and licking your lips, and asking him if he knows where you can get some coke?

                    That does demonstrate a flagrant lack of common sense... It is available from practically any convenience store or grocery store soda aisle. Come on!

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @07:22AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @07:22AM (#805498)

                    Holy crazy fuckwit Batman!

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @11:39AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @11:39AM (#805538)

                    I would say this post is just asking for it. Look at the language it is using! No wonder multiple random Soylentil ACs wanted to dry hump it into oblivion! Poor AC. Probably a slut, though. Who else would post that way? Probably better that the post got fucked earlier than later, for great justice.

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Saturday February 23 2019, @02:34AM

                  by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 23 2019, @02:34AM (#805438) Journal
                  "No not by men alone, plenty of women drink the regressive kool-aid."

                  So by regressive people, generally speaking, is that what you're saying?

                  "Also not all men, but definitely most. "

                  So you're saying the majority of men are regressive?

                  "There are many things we do that seem perfectly normal because that is how we grew up. Like gamers who grew up using "faggot" as a generic insult"

                  If I'm understanding this part correctly, you think it's a homophobic insult, and this makes it verboten, a word no right-thinking person would use (though you just did, apparently you allow an exception for use in abstract rather than earnest?) And then you refer to others who understand it differently, as a generic rather than specifically homophobic insult, and therefore think it's ok to use.

                  Well let me blow your mind for a moment. To me, it's not even an insult. It's a word I've many times used to refer to myself and my friends. My generation of gamer reclaimed it and adopted it as our own. It's a great word, actually, if you grok the actual meaning and history of it. It goes back to the british empire with its system of boarding schools. It originally meant lowerclassman, or in less formal language you might say 'noob.' Upperclassmen were assigned roles of noob-master and expected to haze the noobs to break them down psychologically somewhat like what is done today to slightly older young men in basic training. So it referred to someone that was regarded by the system as a raw recruit, unusable in current form, that needed to be torn down and recreated into an appropriate tool of the Queen.

                  By my time it had morphed a bit and it was more the word the beautiful ones used pretty indiscriminately against any out-group males. Since the beautiful people tended to be obsessive homophobes I can see the interpretation of it as homophobic but that's putting the cart before the horse. We aren't *all* gay. We're just the people that the herd considers defective. Moo.

                  And here we go, a few years later, afraid to even use my own favorite word for myself in public because some hate mob might interpret it as a homophobic insult. It's not just 1984, it's been rewritten as black comedy.

                  "That last one I was guilty of recently, I downplayed an old white lady who said "speakee eeenglish" to a brown skinned kid who was wearing a south-american style sweatshirt. Even if he wasn't US born and raised it is still an offensive way to address a customer."

                  Her age, not her skin color, might well explain that. What is 'offensive' is so subjective and so mercurial it's sometimes hard for young people to keep up. It's even harder as you get older, and you're also even more likely to come to the understanding that you can't live your life on eggshells worrying that someone might be offended. Life's too short and it's a waste of time.

                  Look, taboos are silly. Taboos on words are one of the silliest sorts of taboo. These things have gone in and out of fashion throughout the history of language and they never did any sort of objective good for us. They don't change behaviour, they don't change thought. they only complicate language. The polynesian languages, for instance, split more quickly into unintelligible branches because, among other reasons, they practiced a lot of word taboos. Every time one word became taboo, another way of saying the same thing was always devised, of course. Either a circumlocution or flat-out borrowing a word from a neighboring language or whatever. After so many generations a lot of common words look totally different.

                  Just in my lifetime, the words you're *supposed* to use to refer to different groups of people in order to avoid 'giving offense' have changed multiple times. What point did that serve, other than to make it easier for someone to unintentionally 'give offense?'

                  "Some PC stuff is ridiculous and people need to be a little more understanding of mistakes when no offense was intended, but on the flip side the anti-PC brigade (so many of the posters here) needs to realize that it isn't OK to be offensive."

                  Unfortunately the second clause is a poison pill of a postulate. We need to be more worried about whether or not something is *true* than whether or not it offends us, first off. If it is true, and it offends us, then perhaps /we needed to be offended./ Offense, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Language is meant for communication, and taboos on language only inhibit communication.

                  And once you admit the principle that you can be penalized just because someone else claims to be offended by something you said, no one is safe. Public dialogue, public conversation, the 'lifeblood of democracy' as it's so often been called - well that breaks right down, it becomes impossible.

                  So no, sorry, it IS ok to be offensive. That's the entire point of the first amendment. You think we needed a constitutional amendment to protect speech that everyone agreed was ok? Speech that offended no one?

                  --
                  If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:09PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:09PM (#805292)

        most women are habitual liars. it's their weapon in lieu of physical strength and aggression: lies and manipulation. there's no point hating them for it. they can't help it. it's just how they are built. just like how if you aren't home showing your woman attention someone else will be before long. There is no "waiting" bullshit. it doesn't matter if you are out working your ass off on some shitty job or wrongfully locked up. also, they are pre-wired to try to determine if every man they meet is better than you. usually this means how much money they have, b/c the woman is wired to find the best provider for their offspring. this is why they are never fully settled or satisfied, until maybe menopause when this "trade up" drive may die down.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @09:45PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @09:45PM (#805336)

          Found the incel! Next I suppose you will grab your Red Pillar and complain about child support payments?

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @11:20PM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @11:20PM (#805369) Journal

          Well good thing I'm gay then, LOL! As a bonus, since I'm taken, that's TWO of us "habitual liars" you don't have to worry about sapping and impurifying your previous bodily fluids^W^W checking accounts. After all, that's the way your hardcore Mommy works, isn't it, Mandrake? I get it, you don't avoid women, you simply deny them your bank balance =P

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:39AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:39AM (#805403)

            That's too bad, I'd marry you for that brain!

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 22 2019, @03:55PM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @03:55PM (#805091) Journal

      You'll admit that a lying whore can be raped?

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @04:13PM (2 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:13PM (#805102) Journal

        Oh, absolutely. See, there's this fourth dimension to existence called "time," and the funny thing about time is that it allows space and matter to change their configuration. So someone may be raped at one point in time, and at another point, be a lying whore. They're not mutually exclusive. No one lies all the time.

        Not even you.

        But boy, do you ever reveal more about yourself with your posts than you intend to. I feel sorry for your wife and hope like hell you have no daughters.

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 22 2019, @04:20PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @04:20PM (#805106) Journal

          No, no daughters in this lifetime. But I'm putting my request in with the karma police for next lifetime. You'll be my daughter next time around!!

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 22 2019, @04:24PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday February 22 2019, @04:24PM (#805111) Journal

            That's fine :) Just wait till you see what you're gonna reincarnate as.

            Though in all seriousness, no I won't, because a) with any luck this is the last time I need to get fleshy and b) you're...not exactly on the fast track to reincarnation yourself, but for kind of the opposite reasons.

            --
            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @09:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @09:02AM (#805512)

        a lying whore can be raped?

        No, but a lying sack of shit Runaway should be! Take it like a Man, Runaway! Or, like a Sailor? From a Marine? Getting too close?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @11:10AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @11:10AM (#804974)

    Don't forget all the non-white people on their way to the library to read the bible that were shot by police for strong arm robbery that was caught on video and resulted in riots that destroyed their own neighborhood.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 22 2019, @03:54PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @03:54PM (#805090) Journal

    A truckload of local rednecks pulled up in the yard a couple days ago, to ask if I wanted to go Juusin' with them. I couldn't wrap my head around that one, so I had them explain it to me. I got the bottle of bleach, the clothesline noose, and the MAGA hats - it all seemed pretty clear to me. But, when I asked them why WHITE GUYS were going, that tripped them up. There weren't any white guys at Juucey's kind-of-a-lynching.