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posted by martyb on Friday February 22 2019, @05:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the keep-your-friends-close-and-your-enemies-closer? dept.

An article at vice.com reports The Number of U.S. Hate Groups Keeps Surging, Largely Thanks to Young, White men:

The number of hate groups nationwide reached a record high in 2018, driven partly by the persistent growth of white nationalist groups catering to young, college-aged men.

There are currently 1,020 active hate groups in America — up from 954 in 2017, and 917 the previous year, according to an annual tally by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The new, young face of hate emerged from the shadows during the 2016 election and organized through a shared language of memes and under the banner of the “alt-right.” Many hailed then-candidate Donald Trump, with his hard-line views on immigration, as a hero. In celebration of his election, the alt-right’s one-time de facto leader Richard Spencer led a room full of young men in suits to give Nazi salutes.

Since then, Spencer and other prominent actors, entangled in costly lawsuits and tired of being heckled by anti-fascist protesters, have faded into relative obscurity.

At the same time, groups like Identity Evropa — whose khaki-clad members were a formidable presence at the violent “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017— have proliferated and expanded their reach by setting up new chapters across the country. Patriot Front also grew significantly in 2018 after splintering from Vanguard America, the group linked to the 19-year-old neo-Nazi who rammed his car into a crowd of protesters during the Charlottesville rally and killed Heather Heyer.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Spamalope on Friday February 22 2019, @11:16AM (7 children)

    by Spamalope (5233) on Friday February 22 2019, @11:16AM (#804976) Homepage

    This is off the original topic, but I want to respond to this.
    You're obviously in some sort of very insulated situation.
    You haven't missed a raise or promotion based on your race or gender have you? While being told white men make too much? A city department here was finally sued because they hadn't promoted a white man for over 20 years. Discovery revealed who'd been told they missed promotion due to having lower scores on internal testing when in fact they scored higher but there was an internal policy not to promote white males (naturally not disclosed to white men they recruited).

    I bet you haven't had a group of female co-workers corner you and tell you that you must fabricate and plant evidence of sexual misconduct against a male co-worker (I was in a position to plant convincing, damning evidence). If I refused to conspire with them, they said they'd each file separate sexual misconduct allegations against me. HR told me I'd be terminated immediately if there was a complaint, and that the blackmail was just my word and my problem. (HR director turned out to be a co-conspirator... :/) Later one of the women threatened to file against me unless I had an affair with her. I found out that for any matter involving sexual allegations if the accuser is female then the male is assumed to be the perpetrator and is summarily arrested - even in the case of blackmail base on false accusations. So they were legally shielded and I faced jail time, and risked prison based on a 3v1 verbal accusation only case - because of the gender bias in law. I know of multiple instances of this happening to people I know - not an anonymous 'net person. aka this isn't isolated

    I bet you haven't had a co-worker threaten a rape accusation unless I worked weekends to do her work, have you. I have. (different place/people)
    I bet you haven't been reprimanded, reassigned and lost a raise for turning down a date with a female co-worker who turned out to be politically connected, have you? (happened years before the other two, different employer)

    So, Julian. How many times do I have to have people tell me I deserve to go to prison to before you'll approve me for feeling attacked since you're the gatekeeper for that? The people making that pronouncement base their conviction on my race and gender, not any action I've taken. They insist that's not racist or sexist, because attacks based on my particular race and sex don't count for reasons. Usually collective guilt will be brought up - some argument like: (a tiny number (as a % of population) of rich, powerful old people did something wrong, so as a powerless poor person of the same race/gender of some of them you deserve to be punished because of what some other person did.

    And this stuff is one small facet of bias. Do you not feel aggrieved because you're in an insular position, you're blind to it or you agree with what appears to be an 'original sin' for only men narrative so you think you deserve it?
    I've seen this stuff repeatedly, but only seen a hate group type scumbag in real life once. (Vidor appears to deserve its reputation as a racist shit stain)

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 22 2019, @03:38PM (5 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @03:38PM (#805077) Journal

    You are either a better man than I am, or less of a man than I am. If a gaggle of people corner me as you describe, I will resort to violence. The bastards can kill me, if they are big and bad enough to do so - but they can't bend me to their will. Fuck blackmail.

    (Cue the crowd who insists that violence never solved anything.)

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Kalas on Friday February 22 2019, @07:27PM (1 child)

      by Kalas (4247) on Friday February 22 2019, @07:27PM (#805261)

      Yep, just the kind of brilliant reasoning skills I've come to expect from you. Why risk arrest for false rape accusations when you can guarantee arrest for assault while doing nothing to stop the rape accusations.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @08:05PM (#805289)

        (Cue the crowd who insists that violence never solved anything.)

        Not so much that violence never solves anything, just that Runaway never does. It's that intelligence thing we were talking about.

    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday February 23 2019, @02:36AM (2 children)

      by Reziac (2489) on Saturday February 23 2019, @02:36AM (#805440) Homepage

      It's been pointed out that under its own criteria, the SPLC is a hate group. It's also been said that the only way to stop hate is to stand up to it. Also works with bullies and blackmail.

      --
      And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:48AM (1 child)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:48AM (#805508) Journal

        Hmm, the old "Double Negative" meme, eh? Non-functional, Soylentil!

        It is reported that once a Logician pontificated in a lecture that "while a double negative results in a positive, it has never been maintained that a double positive results in a negative!" From the back of the auditorium, an unidentifed voice intoned: "Yeah, right!"

        So here we have it. Opposing racism by supporting mechanism to eradicate racism, is racist (affirmative action, for you not too bright Brietbarf White superpremises). And opposing Fascism, by punching Nazis in the face, castrating them, burning their asses completely off, and dropping 2000 pound bombs on them, is itself fascism. And finally, though I imagine there is much, much more: working to expose hate groups is being a hate group. None of this is logically correct. Hating whites who think that they are being hated for being white, when they are being hated for thinking they are being hated for being white, because, you know, they are fucking racists, is not hating them for being white! It is only OK to be white when you do not think it is OK to be white, because white is not a thing. Fuck you, whitey! Hating racists, and seeking to prosecute them for their crimes, is not racism, or hatred; it is justice.

        So, Rexiac, you fucking cowardly craven yellow-bellied racist son of a bitch, do you feel lucky? Are you on SPLC watchlist? Huh? Do yah?

        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday February 23 2019, @02:42PM

          by Reziac (2489) on Saturday February 23 2019, @02:42PM (#805581) Homepage

          Another quality faux outrage job; ol' Clint would be alarmed by the imitation.

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          And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:34AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:34AM (#805506)

    I bet you haven't had a group of female co-workers corner you and tell you that you must fabricate and plant evidence of sexual misconduct against a male co-worker (I was in a position to plant convincing, damning evidence). If I refused to conspire with them, they said they'd each file separate sexual misconduct allegations against me. HR told me I'd be terminated immediately if there was a complaint, and that the blackmail was just my word and my problem.

    The obvious rebuttal is, you must be a fucking pervert! I hope you never work in a place I work, because I have worked where people like you worked, and we had to all get together to fabricate some offence to get rid of them before they actually did something, and came back to the workplace with condoms or firearms. I hope you never work anywhere again, since obviously you are not suitable for polite company. Please die by auto-asphyxiation, or something similar, before you harm others. Or, go to prison. You will find it is a much more egalitarian work place, for incel males like yourself.