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Review site Rotten Tomatoes is instituting some changes, leading many to believe it's responding to the recent controversy over the site's Captain Marvel page. But Paul Yanover, president of Fandango, which owns the site, told CNET that's not the whole story.
In case you were snapped away by Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, and thus missed the recent controversy, here's a recap. Captain Marvel doesn't come out until March 8, but users were already leaving negative comments about the film on Rotten Tomatoes, a process dubbed "review bombing." Many recent comments seemed to come from those who are angry at star Brie Larson.
The movie review site has removed users' ability to leave reviews or to indicate they are not interested in seeing a film [EDIT: before it comes out].
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:17PM (44 children)
Triggered misogynists shitpost on site, site adjusts policies. Not much else to say.
Seriously now, calling for my diversity is not the same thing as discrimination. It is the height of white privilege to feel discriminated when no such thing is occurring. I bet if Rotten Tomatoes had a public relations office it would be filled with assholes wanting to talk to the manager.
Talk about insecurity, gotDAMN!
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:23PM (29 children)
The quoted comment is her backtracking. Here's one of her original comments:
She is making it clear that white males need not see or review these woke films. But somehow you are "insecure" if you refuse to blow $15 to see a movie associated with this kind of rhetoric.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:44PM (19 children)
That is not what those words mean, but your interpretation of it does mean you are insecure.
The targeted demographics for superhero stories used to be young white men. The demographics are changing and so media is changing along with it. She obviously cares more about the historically under served crowds and is tired of middle aged white guys shitting on things because it doesn't meet their expectations.
Perhaps your opinions are 100% valid and not based in misogyny or racism, but if you've paid attention you'll notice a distinct trend in criticisms of recent movies such as Ghostbusters. It is not surprising in the least that a corporate site would want to limit a tsunami of racist/misogynist shitposting.
Not watching another cookie cutter superhero movie does not make you insecure, but shitposting because the creators are trying to reach a different demographic?? Yaaa, get bent and wake me when there is actual discrimination to worry about.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:02PM (18 children)
If you are an old white dude, and you criticize A Wrinkle in Time, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, etc., then your opinion does not matter. That is an accurate interpretation of what she said. She may have softened her publicly expressed views since, but it is what she really believes.
It is fine if she supports minorities reviewing films, not that they need her support. The doors are wide open with sites like Facebook and YouTube allowing anybody to act like Roger Ebert. The people involved in press tours are sycophants anyway.
Regarding Ghostbusters, there's blame on many sides [hollywoodreporter.com].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:21PM (10 children)
Shitty behavior from the "other side" does not excuse shitty behavior on yours. Besides, that linked story is hardly on the same level as the racist fuckwits who cried about Ghostbusters.
If only the things you get outraged over actually seemed worth the attention....
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:31PM (9 children)
There will always be an assortment of anonymous trolls for every little thing. I will criticize the rich and batshit crazy actors instead. They should know better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:40PM (7 children)
I disagree that her complaint of another reboot is "batshit crazy" but your timing is suspect. Kinda like Trump's "fine people on both sides". That just makes it seem like you're equivocating to generate support for your less popular opinions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:55PM (3 children)
You must be with the PR firm. Good job defending RT and even bringing Trump into it! They offer good plans or do you shill for free?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @08:04PM (1 child)
$0.87 per post plus a generous bandwidth re-imbursement! Trigger bros like you are my bread and butter!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @05:40AM
Wow, that's a lot of khallows!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:45PM
No one does it for free. Paid protester is totally a real thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:40PM (2 children)
Couldn't go 3 comments without the TDS setting in. We're seriously worried about your mental health, you sick freaks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @03:06AM
Hope you'll breath easier knowing that you don't need to worry about our mental health.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @04:38AM
I count the comment you replied to as the 7th in the thread, maybe work on that finger counting before you advance to psychiatry.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @02:44PM
Cam you do it from an actual registered account?
(Score: 2) by http on Thursday February 28 2019, @10:55PM (6 children)
If you are an old white dude, and you didn't like A Wrinkle in Time, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, etc. because you are not the target audience, then your opinion about the movie does not matter to her.
FTFY
Honestly, it's like reading comprehension isn't even taught any more.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:59PM (5 children)
But but but.. shouldn't she be more inclusive, just because it is a negative criticism... after all a person with integrity should be willing to take criticism. Of course some or most (no idea on ratio) are trolls, but discounting an entire demographic, 40-year-old-white-males, because a small fraction of it commented on an internet site, strikes me as a person who is pretty prejudiced.
I'm a 40 year male, just not white. I wonder what her views are on my "kind".
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @09:24AM
Your kind is shit because you are male.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:49PM (3 children)
My friend and I watched Tangled. He had downloaded it because he thought it was a gore movie with lots of blood and violence. We enjoyed it very much.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @03:06PM (2 children)
Well, a fair amount of violence anyway.
Did he throw up when they kissed?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @06:56PM (1 child)
Nope, we genuinely enjoyed it. We were smoking weed, but we would have done that even if it had been a splatter film.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 02 2019, @05:06AM
Watch "Zipang" while drunk or stoned :)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:25PM (5 children)
So? The film (and the book for that matter) was aimed at younger people. Some may not like that Disney made the family in the story bi-racial, but I've never paid attention to stuff like that if it didn't detract from a story.
I don't think she intended to say that white males need to be excluded, and her clarification confirms this. She said that there needs to be more reviews from the demographics of the target audience. I'm a sci-fi geek; should I give a damn whether some reviewer who likes artsy-fartsy films likes a sci-fi movie or not? I can't count the number of movies that got poor reviews that I went and enjoyed. I still remember a TV Guide reviewer complaining about Tim Russ' "wooden and emotionless" portrayal of Tuvok on Star Trek Voyager.
If you don't want to go see those movies, then don't. Quit trying to tell me that I shouldn't because you're butthurt about your misinterpretation of what some actress said. Stupid battle of the sexes; makes my ass tired.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @08:51PM (1 child)
Stupid battle of the sexes; makes my ass tired.
Then switch places! DUH!
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday March 01 2019, @05:02PM
That was worth a chuckle... +1
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @09:46PM (2 children)
you may not pay attention (that's a good little slave) but you are being brainwashed. soon you will be repeating shit from stupid brainwashed bitches like brie larson talking about the poor biracial "persons of color" like they are fucking bald eagles.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Friday March 01 2019, @04:59PM (1 child)
At the risk of feeding a troll, I will just say this: If being open-minded and inclusive is what it means to be "brainwashed", then the world could use a good brainwashing.
We need to start looking at each other and see all of the things that we have in common instead of pointing out what makes us different.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 02 2019, @02:09AM
Why is there a dark elf amongst the light elves in the Shannara Chronicles?
I spent time looking for why and trying to puzzle it out. Never found an answer. Is she supposed to be a generic throwback? A mutant? Half human with a black father? It's so strange.
Apparently I am racist just for noticing .
Elves mind you. In a mythical setting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:31AM (1 child)
The movie went from 'hey that movie looks pretty cool' to 'meh' PDQ.
The movie going public is fickle. Hearing from a bigot misogynist how she thinks about me does not make me think 'oh I must be wrong'. That is gas-lighting, I have enough of that in my real life.
A wrinkle in time bombed because it frankly is a fairly terrible story aimed at 12 year olds. I have read the books. I have seen the movies. They have yet to make me think 'I need to see that again'. The story is just not that compelling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @02:47PM
Dude, the movie hadn't been released yet. How did you get your hands on a copy?
(Score: 2) by DutchUncle on Monday March 04 2019, @08:54PM
If someone says a movie "wasn't made for me", usually they're talking about a kid's movie like Minions. But you aren't going to get a lot of haters going to the Minions page to waste their time writing how childish it is. OTOH people seem to think it's fun to trash things that other people like, rather than just ignore it and just go like something else instead.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:24PM (1 child)
In a reply to myself I'll add "yes no shit it is a corporate move to protect the industry." Completely expected response to internet brigadiers politicking it up in a review section.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:45PM
You're right. The people memeing on the Want To See score expected to see RT at least disable it for Captain Marvel. Removing it altogether from all upcoming films and removing user comments was a nice touch.
RT also posted a blog post [rottentomatoes.com] explaining the changes that was nearly impossible to find from the front page. It also had a Disqus comment section with 0 comments for almost a day after it was posted, despite the post saying "Please leave feedback in the comment section below". Now it seems to be working and most of the feedback is negative, which is to be expected.
A review site should be roasted for removing functionality and rejecting feedback in order to appease corporate overlords. After it is burnt to a crisp, people can move on to some other site.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:41PM (8 children)
"White Privilege" is when a white person acts the same way, in response to anti-white bigotry, that non-white people act in response to non-white bigotry.
A "misogynist" is anyone who fails to bow down and worship the Holy Magical Vagina and allow the possessor of the HMV all things at all times.
The words are the frenzied uttering of a two-year old in a tantrum that other people refuse to be the two-year old's slaves and playthings.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:54PM (7 children)
Show me the bigotry. I'll agree that if you replaced the identifier with "40-year-old minority woman" and the speaker a white man then there would undoubtedly be a minor twitter shitstorm. However, with no actual bigotry being displayed people like YOU would rail against the PC POLICE while nothing whatsoever came of the whole thing.
Height of hubris, nice job making my point so very clear.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @08:11PM (6 children)
Were there signs above the entry doors for the Wrinkle in Time movie that said "this movie is not for white men"? Were white men barred from buying tickets to see it? Or is it like McDonalds' "365Black" ad campaign, where the message is "get the fuck out whitey" without actually coming out and saying it?
Even if something is "not made for white people", I can comment on anything I choose to, and it matters not at all what the fuck your damned feelings about that are. With Gab's recent Dissent commenting system, you can't even shut us up on the sites you control anymore.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @08:16PM
There may have been. It only grossed $132 million on a $250 million production and advertising budget.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @08:22PM (4 children)
annnd the core reached meltdown. Pack it in boys and girls!
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @09:22PM (3 children)
You have just revealed your own bigotry by excluding everyone who identifies as non-binary or who has reached adulthood. Your hate speech is not welcome here!
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday February 28 2019, @10:47PM (2 children)
Women are a lot of good things, but being funny and being Thor are not two of them. There's a saying, "garbage-in, garbage-out" that applies fully to Female Thor and Ghostbusters. If the idea is fundamentally stupid or inane then it will be difficult to take seriously, and then you will just be smiling and nodding like a cowardly yes-man because your date dragged you into it and enjoyed it and you're just trying to get in her pants. " HAHA. HA. HA, " you laughed, whenever the fat Black woman was obnoxiously sassy and then the New York City Hammond Organ riff would play in the background to drive the point home that you should be laughing. " Woo-woo, " you flaccidly cheer, when the strong woman punches the dumb White man for looking at her the wrong way.
The only way the former would have succeeded is to make it a superhero parody film (could be easily accomplished) and the only the latter would have succeeded is to find funnier women and writers (difficult but doable).
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @04:42AM (1 child)
Hey EF you in here being stupid? Ok carry on!
(Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday March 01 2019, @06:08AM
You're goddamn right, nigga.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday March 01 2019, @03:19PM (2 children)
"Triggered misogynists?"
That doesn't seem to be the case. While this controversy swirls about Captain Marvel and Brie Larson Alita Battle Angel, another action film with a female protagonist, is being well-received by fans and is doing well. So, if there's a great misogynist wave of trolls out there trying to keep women in film down, then how is it that one such is being buoyed while the other is being panned? Could it be that the one that's being panned is helmed by obnoxious jerks who are attacking a huge chunk of the audience that they want to fork over their cash to see their movie?
I'd also point out that there have been many, many action/sci-fi films led by strong women characters (Tomb Raider, Aliens, Underworld, Hunger Garmes, Wonder Woman, etc) that have been very successful, very well-received by your so-called "triggered misogynists."
Here's a thought: actual misogyny is a nearly extinct mindset whose last, fading embers smolder in the breasts of octogenarian Baby Boomers; the rest of us in the world prefer movies that don't suck and for companies and holier-than-thou actors to not categorically insult swathes of the intended audience.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @04:39PM (1 child)
If you were insulted by her words then you are an easily triggered idiot. They were not great words and reflect poorly on her but were hardly on the same level as the racism and misogyny that got directed at Ghostbusters.
There is some mix of anti-pc brigaders and actual misogynists and the phenomena is very tied to the current political climate. It isn'tabout some massive plot to keep women down, it is about insecure white males feeling marginalized because centuries long racism/sexism is finally being discussed and pushed back in the open.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @10:13PM
Keep calling people triggered idiots for not supporting racist misandrists like Brie Larson. The real ones to be triggered will be the studio execs once they calculate how much Brie Larson lost them.