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posted by martyb on Thursday February 28 2019, @05:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the Honeypot? dept.

CNet:

Review site Rotten Tomatoes is instituting some changes, leading many to believe it's responding to the recent controversy over the site's Captain Marvel page. But Paul Yanover, president of Fandango, which owns the site, told CNET that's not the whole story.

In case you were snapped away by Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, and thus missed the recent controversy, here's a recap. Captain Marvel doesn't come out until March 8, but users were already leaving negative comments about the film on Rotten Tomatoes, a process dubbed "review bombing." Many recent comments seemed to come from those who are angry at star Brie Larson.

The movie review site has removed users' ability to leave reviews or to indicate they are not interested in seeing a film [EDIT: before it comes out].


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:51PM (39 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Thursday February 28 2019, @06:51PM (#808261)

    > Calling it "review bombing" is a tactic to discredit people who criticize this movie.

    But those people are not criticizing the movie.
    Yet they are complaining in a place where people expect opinions about the movie.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:02PM (#808273)

    No puppet no puppet, you're the puppet!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVWRetR4jg [youtube.com]

    Seriously, the overlap is probably YUUUUGE.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:09PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:09PM (#808278)

    Trailers and many details about the movie have been released. Captain Marvel has already been called more powerful than Thanos [wegotthiscovered.com] and the character is confirmed to appear in the fourth Avengers movie. Yes, there are certainly reasons to criticize the movie, even before you reach Brie Larson's hateful comments, which ought to be known to people who are considering seeing the movie.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:13PM (13 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:13PM (#808281)

      "Hateful comments" hahahahahaah

      "OMGZ she says our opinion doesn't matter! How hateful!!"

      context man, context

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:24PM (12 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:24PM (#808291)

        She's a racist misandrist.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:34PM (11 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:34PM (#808300)

          When your evidence is

          "I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about [A] Wrinkle in Time. It wasn’t made for him. I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial."

          you miiiight want re-evaluate your world view.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:37PM (#808306)

            You first. Just remember that these movies are not made for you and stay home.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:25PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:25PM (#808447)

            This explains a lot. I watched that movie. It felt very similar to black lives matter The Movie panther where shoving ideology down the throat of the audience is more important than the story. The new she-ra too is in that boat.

            It's good to know that she doesn't care about my opinion. Middle age white men obviously should just crawl in a hole and die right?

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday March 01 2019, @02:40AM (3 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 01 2019, @02:40AM (#808527) Journal

              Middle age white men obviously should just crawl in a hole and die right?

              Nobody (and this includes you) is entitled to entertainment that s/he would enjoy, much less an entertainment that should involve specific performers.

              How that translates into: "Any/everybody just crawl in a hole and die" is beyond me.

              But, yeah, I've seen my share of idiocy on this Earth, one additional bit doesn't surprise me.

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              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @09:17AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @09:17AM (#808608)

                Well, I don't think you understand the situation.

                The target audience of this universe is, and has been, and WILL be, and by vast majority, comprised of white males. It's thanks to them they can make this movie.

                Now they take this white male product and turn it into a "SJW PC races don't exist but white males are fucking shit and women are better at man things of course" propaganda. Then they see how the 90% of their audience say "ok, you shit on us and ruin what we like, so fuck you" and react censoring the comments and shitting even more on their real audience while calling them masclist privileged trolls.

                Yeah, really, fuck you. Good luck with the movie and comic sales, we are all awaiting for them to be honest.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @11:55AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @11:55AM (#808643)

                  Well, I don't think you understand the situation.

                  Wekk, what a coincidence. I do think that you don't understand the situation, dude, and you are in for a life of disappointment.
                  This Universe is no longer primarily made of white male, but from "PC races don't exist but white males are fucking shit" type of SJWs. Deal with it the best you can.

                  Speaking for myself, as an going-old white male, I don't care about that at all.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @06:42PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @06:42PM (#808840)

                  Did you enjoy Sex and The City and Gossip Girl?

          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:30PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:30PM (#808454)

            Are you saying that because that comment is aimed at white men it isn't racist?
            Or that because it targets that specifci6 racial group it gets a pass?

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday March 01 2019, @02:44AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 01 2019, @02:44AM (#808529) Journal

              Are you saying that because that comment is aimed at white men it isn't racist?

              Whadda fuck?
              You mean a movie in which the tropical climate is part of the plot is racist because Inuits can't resonate with the situations?

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            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @04:33AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @04:33AM (#808571)

              I'm saying it is a stretch to call that statement misandrist and a VERY big stretch to call it racism.

              • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @10:06AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @10:06AM (#808621)
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @06:48PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @06:48PM (#808843)

                  I'm guessing the "white" is just a popular turn of phrase that will get you a level up in some "help i'm being opressed" game. I assume black men would not enjoy the movie either.

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:28PM (2 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:28PM (#808295)

      > Brie Larson's hateful comments, which ought to be known to people who are considering seeing the movie.

      Unless the people involved are accused of, or encourage, criminal acts, I don't care. I want to see a movie, and the carpenters or the sound designers might be total assholes, the costume designer a prostitute, and the limo driver a slumlord ... There are too many problems out there to try to find the perfect asshole-free entertainment.

      I won't see that one in the theater, purely out of superhero fatigue (that excludes Deadpool or Incredibles, which are a refreshing take on the genre, when Marvel origin stories are dull and repetitive, and DC's horrendous). Not sure whether I'll see the next Avengers given how the previous one assumed that you had seen every Marvel movie, and didn't bother to bring people like me up to date...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:35PM (#808302)

        Of course. The carpenters, limo drivers, and caterers are on the same level as the lead actress doing the PR tour for the film. Makes sense.

        If you want to go out and have a good time seeing the movie, that's fine. But maybe piracy is a better option. Or see something else since you are already feeling the fatigue in your bones.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @12:58AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @12:58AM (#808493)

        and the carpenters or the sound designers might be total assholes, the costume designer a prostitute, and the limo driver a slumlord ...

        Do tell, man... like... really?...
        Now I want to watch that movie.

    • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:36PM (4 children)

      by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday February 28 2019, @07:36PM (#808305) Journal

      Trailers and many details about the movie have been released.

      Is there a spot on Rotten Tomatoes for reviewing trailers (you know, as opposed to actual movie reviews)? Or a web site that provides that? If so, that's the place to go.

      If not, well hey, there's an opportunity for you. You could start one!

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      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday February 28 2019, @10:38PM (3 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday February 28 2019, @10:38PM (#808416) Homepage

        No thanks. I may actually waste what little money I have being fooled.

        A perfect Example was the District 9 trailer. They make it all mysterious, showing the ghetto and the alien ship hovering, but they never show the aliens. You think, " Whoa, this is so cool and mysterious, I bet it will be awesome! "

        Then you spend the money and once you see what the aliens look like you don't know whether to laugh or cry at the next 2 hours you're going to waste on a preachy Dick-and-Jane movie with Dr. Seuss-tier aliens.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:27PM (2 children)

          by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:27PM (#808448) Journal

          A perfect Example was the District 9 trailer

          See, now that's exactly the point. I really liked District 9. If I'd seen any crap about the movie first, I might not have seen it.

          All the more reason to prevent so-called "reviews" prior to release.

          Then you spend the money and once you see what the aliens look like you don't know whether to laugh or cry at the next 2 hours you're going to waste on a preachy Dick-and-Jane movie with Dr. Seuss-tier aliens.

          But... again, that's the point. If someone posts a review before the movie comes out, bitching about [insert special butterfly triggers here], or just rah-rahing without any real knowledge of what was in the movie, they might have given you the wrong idea and sent you there anyway.

          Look, I'm not arguing against movie reviews. Not at all. But reviews before a film comes out? Come on. That's unreasonable.

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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @12:31AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @12:31AM (#808481)

            Except these aren't reviews. It's expressing interest in seeing the film or not.

            • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Friday March 01 2019, @04:32PM

              by fyngyrz (6567) on Friday March 01 2019, @04:32PM (#808769) Journal

              Except these aren't reviews. It's expressing interest in seeing the film or not.

              So.. they don't belong on a review site, then. Seems like they've done exactly the right thing.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:09PM (14 children)

    by edIII (791) on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:09PM (#808438)

    I love watching all the snowflakes come out. This is a repeat of the Ghostbusters remake from a female point of view. Apparently, that is forced diversity, "SJWs" making movies, etc. A bunch of grown men acting like fucking children. The fact some women were going to remake a film from the 80's was an apparent affront to all these men. "My childhood is being ruined!", "There's no reason to see the female point of view", "This is diversity being shoved down our throats!".

    The movie hadn't come out yet either. If they're showing up to the site to complain about a movie that isn't even out yet, then these are men that need to reevaluate their lives. When someone making a remake can ruin your day, because it was part of your childhood, then you need get a snowflake pin and wear it on your jacket. It's absolutely review bombing, and not constructive for other people to decide whether or not they want to see it. I'm sure of this, because when I go to look for reviews, I'm not thinking, "Gee what do the white nationalists think of this? What is the misogynist take on it?".

    I went to see Ghostbusters in theater just because of all the diaper-wearing snowflakes dishing out so much needless hate. It was a movie for teenage girls, something my younger relatives would've loved. Wasn't great, but also wasn't terrible. Decent kids movie. Yet, if you listened to all the bullshit online in the various places, it was the end of white civilization as we know it.

    LOL. Bunch of pathetic fucking snowflakes, and their criticism is because all media doesn't bow down to create content for only their worldview. Content is being created for markets that can pay for it. What a shocker.

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    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:28PM (2 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday February 28 2019, @11:28PM (#808452)

      Amusingly, there are thousands of movies matching their point of view; and many of those have much better plot and dialogs than the crap Hollywood produces these days.
      Almost all movies made in the 20th century, and most of those made before 2010...

      Love to watch big burly white men with open shirts wrestling other men and getting the girl too ? Western movies by the hundreds !

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:08AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:08AM (#808496)

        You. Haven't.Seen. This. Movie.

        And you're deciding that it fits a point of view. Go figure.

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday March 01 2019, @01:10AM

          by bob_super (1357) on Friday March 01 2019, @01:10AM (#808497)

          Did you read the thread you're replying to ?

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:19AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @01:19AM (#808498)

      Wasn't great, but also wasn't terrible.

      Terrible doesn't do it justice, it was insufferable excrement.

      LOL. Bunch of pathetic fucking snowflakes, and their criticism is because all media doesn't bow down to create content for only their worldview. Content is being created for markets that can pay for it.

      The objection is that SJW's hijack existing properties rather than creating their own. They can't spread their ideology by creating their own properties because they are a tiny minority that grants themselves unearned priviledge. Every franchise SJW's hijack fails, it's not that there isn't a market for the franchises just that there is no market for "woke" politics. I can confidently predict you'll see a higher box office for the new Ghostbusters. [washingtontimes.com]

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday March 01 2019, @02:51AM (2 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 01 2019, @02:51AM (#808531) Journal

        The objection is that SJW's hijack existing properties rather than creating their own.

        Oh, yes, those kind of Imaginary Properties.
        Cry me a river, I'll sing for you the world smallest violin. Here's the trailer: 🎻

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        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @12:34PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2019, @12:34PM (#808648)

          Play your violin for those thinking society cares about their regressive politics. We're the people telling you we don't care.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 02 2019, @02:41AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 02 2019, @02:41AM (#809040) Journal

            If you didn't care what happened to me,
            And I didn't care for you,
            We would zig zag our way through the boredom and pain
            Occasionally glancing up through the rain.
            Wondering which of the buggars to blame
            And watching for...

            I reckon I can see some.

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      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday March 01 2019, @09:38PM

        by edIII (791) on Friday March 01 2019, @09:38PM (#808946)

        LOL!!!!!!!!!

        That's your complaint! They "hijack" properties? You mean like the Ghostbusters was an actual property, and they hijacked it for their own agenda? You're a fucking idiot. They obviously bought the rights to do it, and it was completely legal. No highjacking or pirating involved.

        If you're complaining that Hollywood in general is no longer original, then get the fuck in line. They're bringing back aged actors from teenage angst series to attempt to repeat the success. There's that show about the witches that ended years ago, and they're going to redo it all over again, just with newer, younger, prettier girls I guess. You act is if only specially authorized people, that conform to your worldview and politics, are "allowed" to make a shitty remake of something Hollywood already did. There exists no such social contract my poor little snowflake, and there is no evil insidious CTRL-LEFT agenda when they do it. It's just entertainment execs squeezing every penny out of existing IP, without giving a fuck about your special snowflake feelings.

        Do what a LOT of people are now doing.... not watching the shit that comes out of Hollywood anymore.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Magic Oddball on Friday March 01 2019, @06:06AM (2 children)

      by Magic Oddball (3847) on Friday March 01 2019, @06:06AM (#808588) Journal

      I went to see Ghostbusters in theater just because of all the diaper-wearing snowflakes dishing out so much needless hate. It was a movie for teenage girls, something my younger relatives would've loved. Wasn't great, but also wasn't terrible. Decent kids movie.

      I also went to see it, though I didn't know much about the remake beyond that it starred a few women I'd never heard of. I found it almost indescribably awful, and would have even when I was a teenage girl because the female characters were over-the-top representatives of the usually-female traits I've always hated -- I liked the female characters about as much as I liked Jar-Jar Binks. I also recall noticing (though the details now escape me) that the writing in general was painfully weak, with large plot holes, characters acting in ways that real people simply wouldn't, terrible dialogue, and so forth.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by bobthecimmerian on Friday March 01 2019, @01:22PM

        by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Friday March 01 2019, @01:22PM (#808658)

        The Ghostbusters remake was awful, agreed. But the people who complained that a remake with women ruined their childhoods or signals the decline of Hollywood are still sexist idiots. The problem with that film had everything to do with the terrible story and mostly unfunny dialog and nothing to do with the fact that the Ghostbusters were women. It wouldn't have been any better if all the gender roles in the film were swapped.

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday March 08 2019, @09:49PM

        by edIII (791) on Friday March 08 2019, @09:49PM (#811770)

        Thank you. You provided a wonderful example of a constructive review. That is what belongs on Rotten Tomatoes. Reviews from people who have actually seen the film, and not a troll in an army trying to poison stats before reviews are even possible.

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    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday March 01 2019, @03:09PM (2 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday March 01 2019, @03:09PM (#808702) Journal

      It's an easy test, edIII. Substitute "black" for "white" and "women" for "men," and then play those comments back and ask yourself if the MSM punditocracy and a million social justice organizations would not instantly be up in arms. Substitute "Jew" in for "white" and god help them; we'd all hear the screams of "anti-Semiiiiiiteeee!!!" reverberating around the world for endless weeks afterward. You know it's true.

      Being hoisted on one's own petard is never a fun experience, but it is what is happening to Disney, Marvel, Captain Marvel, and Brie Larson.

      For consistency's sake, we either tell everybody who gets upset by racist/sexist/homophobic etc. comments to shut up and quit whining, or we treat all such bigoted comments equally. I personally prefer that we all treat each other with respect, and that we examine all ideas with an equally critical eye no matter where they're coming from.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 02 2019, @06:08AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 02 2019, @06:08AM (#809077)

        Substitute in "muslim" and the person who spoke may get death threats

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday March 08 2019, @09:46PM

        by edIII (791) on Friday March 08 2019, @09:46PM (#811769)

        I'm unsure where you're coming from, or how it is relevant. I don't see how the companies and Brie Larson have hoisted themselves upon their own petard. Treat all the bigoted comments equally?

        No. The entirety of the complaint has nothing to do with the substance of the movie, and everything to do with forcing the application of politics onto movies. There are no valid criticisms or complaints beyond the Alt-right and the "red pill" assholes going after a movie they perceive to be "Left", "Liberal", or "CTRL-LEFT". The idea that women can make a superhero movie, starring women, apparently bothers this small section of snowflakes so much they need to forcibly insert themselves into the conversation. They rail because these group of people dared to not pander to their demographic, and these snowflakes cannot accept that another demographic, that they're at war with, gets a movie stolen from them. They wish to continue to dominate movies and television in much like it was done in the 60s where Bruce Lee was relegated to a side-kick and a white guy was the super hero. Is it a problem having a white guy in this role? No. Likewise, it shouldn't be a problem that Bruce Lee occupied the role, but it was, and this is no different of a situation today. You have people complaining simply because the roles are being occupied with women, and the overall substance of that complaint is a perceived forcing of SJW/Liberal agendas upon them.

        Let's call this what it really is; A protest. It's not constructive criticism, or valid criticism of the super hero universe, but a movie being used as a vehicle to for one group of people to attack another group of people. So these child-men get onto the Internet, and much like a protest, their goal is to disrupt the original point of the whole affair. That being to provide reviews. It's not possible to review a movie before you have seen it, so instead of a review, we get the brunt of their politics and worldview expressed by grunting angry apes. These are not constructive reviews that are valid, and an actual review by any party, is precluded by simple logic and temporal mechanics.

        Whereas you wish to treat them with respect and examine all ideas equally, I wish to tell them to fuck off and find another appropriate venue to espouse their politics and worldview. To put it another way, the grocery store is not the place to subject people to loud expressions of politics, and likewise, a movie review site isn't either. Pressing a button to say you don't wish to see the movie, even though it hasn't been released, seems valid to me. However, we both know that the vast majority of the people saying they don't want to are doing so because of political views. Not cinematic complaints like they didn't use real film, or the actors are historically terrible, or pedantic comic book canon was violated, etc. Just their problem with a perceived Liberal bias in the people involved in the said movies.

        I would want the 50,000 "not going to see" presses broken down by some extra metrics. Additional questions like "You don't want to see this movie because of A) Politics, B) Religion, C) Culturally offensive, D) Cinematic objections, or E) Seems lame or uninteresting". If we applied that, we both know how many would've been A instead of E. Personally, the only presses I'm interested are E. I don't give a flat fuck about knowing how the Mormons or Quakers feel about a movie. You know where that is appropriate? A movie review site entirely for Mormons or Quakers.

        So if the White Nationalists want to emulate 4-Chan and poison stats, let them do it on their own fucking websites. Except that's not the point of their behavior, which is to heavily disrupt everyone else's spaces to scream like angry monkeys throwing poo. If you did give these man-children the choice to say it's because of "Libtard politics and I want to own the libs", they wouldn't have the courage to check the box because that would mean we could filter out their responses. We both know THAT is what is really pissing them off and causing complaints of "de-platforming", because we are getting better at filtering out their hate filled bullshit.

        It's about as useful as listening to some dumb cunt trying to establish a boycott against the Girl Scouts because AOC was involved in the organization. Just like the Girl Scouts don't have anything to do with Progressive or Left politics, this super hero movie has even less to do with it. I'll stand corrected if I watch the movie and it's one long propaganda film for Left or Liberal politics, but I'm expecting, you know, a fucking movie.

         

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