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posted by martyb on Thursday March 07 2019, @03:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the global-warming-vs-local-cooling dept.

The largest of the great lakes in the United States, Lake Superior

Lake Superior’s ice coverage has greatly surpassed expectations this year.

Earlier in the season, forecasters predicted the lake would reach a little more than 50 percent ice coverage this winter. But as of Friday, Lake Superior was over 85 percent covered, far exceeding the prediction and the lake’s long-term average of 55 percent, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory, or GLERL.

This year’s frigid conditions triggered the rapid expansion of the ice that exceeded predictions, said Jia Wang, a research ice climatologist and physical oceanographer at GLERL.

[...] Earlier this week, ice coverage increased about 10 percent within 12 hours, rising from around 75 percent at 2 p.m. Wednesday to nearly 85 percent by 2 a.m. Thursday.

[...] The last time the lake ice reached 100 percent coverage was 1996, which is the only time 100 percent coverage on Lake Superior has been noted since records started in 1973, according to GLERL data.

http://www.ironmountaindailynews.com/news/local-news/2019/03/lake-superior-ice-coverage-nears-90-percent-exceeding-predictions/

[Updated to fix title; changed "Exceeds 90 Percent" to be "Exceeds 85 Percent". --martyb]


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Appalbarry on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:03PM (24 children)

    by Appalbarry (66) on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:03PM (#811163) Journal

    The largest of the great lakes in the United States

    Lake Superior is not even remotely "in" the United States. Its shores, and ice, are shared by two distinct nations.

    You know that the rest of the world laughs at American's incredible lack of knowledge anything outside their borders? (Or where they're bombing the hell out of the place.)

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:11PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:11PM (#811166)

    No one I know has any idea why the US has been bombing Syria. I I turn the radio to "DNC station" they always talk about how important it is to keep doing this for "strategic reasons" but never explain what these reasons are. It is stuff like "the US will appear weak if we don't keep bombing Syria".

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:23PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:23PM (#811179)

      No one I know has any idea why the US has been bombing Syria. I I turn the radio to "DNC station" they always talk about how important it is to keep doing this for "strategic reasons"

      1. no one wants to "keep bombing Syria"
      2. *remaining* in Syria has strategic reasons, mostly because US gave Iraq to Iran and such. And Syria will now remain with Iran/Russia. Staying in Syria prevents that from happening, like a thorn in the ass of Assad.
      3. #2 would be told by GOP if it was democratic president that wanted to leave Syria
      4. #2 is supported by military, because military.
      5. leaving Syria really, really will fuck up the Kurds .. and no one will ever trust America in the future for anything. so yeah, there is that. If you want to fuck over the allies that actually defeated ISIS, then leave Syria and leave them for Assad/Russians/Turkey to "clean up".

      US has no allies left in Middle East except for the Kurds. And yes, I'm looking at Israel here.... they are as much of an ally as Saudis are. Allies of convenience.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:41PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:41PM (#811187)

        To be "a thorn in the ass" of some guy no one has heard of? What a great reason. Don't forget to pay your fair share of that $15 billion/year.[1]

        [1] http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2018/04/11/Cost-War-Syria-Rising [thefiscaltimes.com]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @06:50PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @06:50PM (#811277)

          There is a cost to anything and nothing. When Philippines asked for help with Chinese stealing coral atolls under the mutual defence treaty , the US told them to pound dust. Mostly because they were salty over being told to GTO from Philippines earlier and other things. Well, now that China is building these up into islands and hardening them as "unsinkable aircraft carriers" basically dominating South China Sea, now it's too late to do anything short of war. Before US could have broken the blockade and rescued Philippines navy blockaded by Chinese. Now??

          So what's the cost of not doing anything 10 years ago? Or 20 years ago?

          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26524388 [bbc.com]
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouFHeDhmO4w [youtube.com]

          Yes, leaving Syria will have consequences just as staying will have consequences. And just because some people can't think past their next chess move, doesn't mean others are not thinking on a little longer scale.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @07:53PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @07:53PM (#811315)

            You still haven't mentioned anything that sounds like a benefit to anyone I know.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @04:40AM (9 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @04:40AM (#811458) Journal

      No one I know has any idea why the US has been bombing Syria.

      That's a solid indication that they're ignorant about that particular issue. After all, the ISIS invasion of Iraq from ISIS-occupied territory in Syria is public knowledge.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @04:59AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @04:59AM (#811465)

        After all, the ISIS invasion of Iraq from ISIS-occupied territory in Syria is public knowledge.

        So? This is a reason to spend $15 billion a year to bomb Syria?

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @06:13AM (7 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @06:13AM (#811470) Journal

          This is a reason to spend $15 billion a year to bomb Syria?

          Why do you think it's not?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @08:42AM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @08:42AM (#811486)

            Because it has nothing to do with me or anyone I know.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @03:17PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @03:17PM (#811541) Journal

              Because it has nothing to do with me or anyone I know.

              And are you and the few people you know the only people in the world?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @03:26PM (4 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @03:26PM (#811546) Journal
              To follow up on that previous remark, 1) how much of that $15 billion came from you and those people you know? (it's coming to oh, $50 per person) 2) I know that there is this fad to pretend that there's no US interests or allies in the Middle East, but given that there is, why should we spend this to protect those interests (after all, not protecting those interests is what led to the ISIS invasion and the US bombing of Syria in the first place)? and 3) those interests of which I spoke include protecting US trade, the oil infrastructure, reducing the odds of a future large war involving the US, etc. - I bet all of them have something to do with you despite your assertions to the contrary.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @03:46PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @03:46PM (#811560)

                I guess endless war it is then!

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @05:03PM (2 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @05:03PM (#811592) Journal
                  What endless war? There's less war now than there's been in centuries.
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @06:09PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @06:09PM (#811633)

                    LOL, ok. There is no endless war the US is spending trillions of dollars on.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @06:15PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @06:15PM (#811638) Journal

                      There is no endless war the US is spending trillions of dollars on.

                      Pretty much accurate for once. But I suppose if I spent a million dollars to keep the unicorns out of my garden, that means unicorns exist, right?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:12PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:12PM (#811167)

    Hush, you in Kanookistan! There is only America and the Not America.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @08:19PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @08:19PM (#811324)

      There is only America and the Not America.

      What's really sad is that for far too many Americans, this is reality.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @03:09PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @03:09PM (#811537) Journal
        What's really sad about that? I hate to interrupt the Two Minute Hate here, but ignorance of regions outside one's own is a universal trait not one that somehow the US particularly manifests. And yet humanity somehow manages to trundle on despite this supposed ignorance. I think we can best help by not being part of the ignorance?
  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by TheFool on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:46PM (1 child)

    by TheFool (7105) on Thursday March 07 2019, @04:46PM (#811193)

    Hey... as someone who grew up not too far from Superior, I'm just glad when Americans remember to draw the Upper Peninsula on a map. It's not uncommon to see Huron, Michigan, and Superior depicted as one giant void bordering Wisconsin. Or maybe they think the UP is part of Canada, I'm not sure.

    Still, I think it's fine to call it "in" both places. It's the largest lake in Canada, too.

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday March 07 2019, @06:56PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday March 07 2019, @06:56PM (#811283)

      My ex from Ishpeming, MI was always commenting on how Yoopers were seen as almost foreigners even to those from the big mitten on the other side of the Mackinac Straits.

      --
      The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
  • (Score: 3, Funny) by RandomFactor on Thursday March 07 2019, @05:00PM (1 child)

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 07 2019, @05:00PM (#811202) Journal

    I was thinking I would just point out that Canada likely refers to it as 'in' Canada in more or less the same way and that neither side would bother routinely saying as affected as

    "the large lake that borders both the United States and Canada and is neither fully in either country"

    Then I realized Justin time that this might not be Trudeau of Canada.

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    В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
    • (Score: 3, Touché) by AthanasiusKircher on Friday March 08 2019, @04:55AM

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Friday March 08 2019, @04:55AM (#811464) Journal

      "the large lake that borders both the United States and Canada and is neither fully in either country"

      Just skip the verbiage and call it "Schroedinger's Lake."

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @05:13PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 07 2019, @05:13PM (#811215)

    Best be careful about reminding us you exist or we might notice all that oil you give us, would hate to have to give you an injection of freedom (TM)

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday March 08 2019, @01:36PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday March 08 2019, @01:36PM (#811521) Homepage Journal

      Believe me, they need it. And a good dose of "democracy." Justin is very dishonest and weak. And many people are saying it's time for him to resign. Because of the horrible way he bullied his Attorney General. It's called Obstruction of Justice, folks. Sad that it's happening to our so-called neighbors. Canadian Patriots, TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY!!!