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Since water is a key ingredient in beer, it being mostly water, polluted water threatens beer quality.
Thursday a group of 59 craft breweries sent a letter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers opposing the agencies' "Dirty Water Rule" proposal to slash clean water protections for waterways around the country.
These brewers, who are partners in NRDC's Brewers for Clean Water campaign, are standing up for safeguards that protect the sources of clean water on which their businesses depend.
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59 Craft Breweries Tell EPA Dirty Water Proposal Threatens Key Ingredient: Water
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Hacking's just another word for nothing left to kludge.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Barenflimski on Friday March 08 2019, @08:15PM (26 children)
Its amazing that something like clean water can become a political issue. Again, people have it so good, they forget how bad it can be. Once the water is tainted it can take a human lifetime or longer to clean it up.
Whatever happened to "leave this place a little better than it was left for you", or was that the local campground sign I remember seeing?
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @08:16PM (18 children)
Or you can boil it for three minutes. The possibilities are endless!
(Score: 5, Informative) by Barenflimski on Friday March 08 2019, @08:18PM (10 children)
Boiling water doesn't remove chemicals like Prozac or Lead.
One Prozac-Lead beer coming up for you fine sir.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 08 2019, @08:53PM
Hell, that may explain his brain-damaged libertarian gibbering...Hallow was prboably that Ralph Wiggum-looking kid in the back row eating all the wall candy.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @09:00PM (7 children)
It takes quite a bit of those chemicals to cause such problems. Neither is particularly hard to remove from drinking water (though admittedly the process would take somewhat longer than 15 minutes, though nowhere near a human lifetime).
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:21PM (3 children)
It wasn't an exhaustive list, you moron.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:18PM (2 children)
Come on, it was a hysterical, over-the-top post that I replied to in the first place. Where's your criticism of that?
At some point, we need to realize a bunch of stuff. Not everything magically taints water supplies for a human lifetime and we can regulate more those that are actually more dangerous. Finally, we, including these beer makers, have the power to filter "tainted" water supplies ourselves, assuming it actually is a problem in far less time than a human lifetime.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @11:03PM (1 child)
Asking people to not fuck up water is hysterical and over the top now? That's the only reasonable and rational thing to do in fact.
Why should the brewers have to pay for cleaning up the water they didn't pollute in the first place? Why should people who use the waterways for recreation like swimming or canoeing have to settle with an open sewer? What about the wildlife there? Polluter pays, that's what makes sense.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 11 2019, @12:17PM
Yes, it is. We're not even close to a situation (in the US where Trump is an issue) where that question is relevant.
Because that's where they are. I assume you realize the animals that live in and near those waterways don't poop into regulated disposal systems.
Indeed. They should be following regulation too!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @11:49PM
Dude! You're funny as hell! You got all yer "liberal" buddies dancing like Mexican Jumping Beans there! Keep up the good work! Oh, and fuck you too! I mean that in the most possible way... Wait.. I mean, Did I say that? I feel so very sorry...
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @12:07AM (1 child)
Trolling people over shit like this isn't some super clever thing to do, you know that right? You're basically asking people to figure out just how much of an idiot you are. "Is it a serious statement they made? Cause it sounds pretty stupid so hopefully it is just trolling."
While it would be wonderful if that logic worked, sadly there are lots of idiots who might say stupid shit like "boil the water to purify". They heard their grandpappy give them such advice and never bothered to think beyond that! The same reason so many Southerners want to say n***** all the time. Their elders surely weren't complete fucking morons right? RIGHT?
Trolling can be fun, but when done maliciously it is just plain stupid. No one can magically KNOW you aren't an idiot, and given the preponderance of uneducated people in the US it is safer to assume that yes, you are an idiot.
Have fun trolling you fuckwads.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:12PM
And apparently, they're just not very good at it, huh?
(Score: 2, Informative) by realDonaldTrump on Friday March 08 2019, @10:54PM
Yes it does. When you do the very special "boiling" process we do for Trump Vodka. We call it, Distilling. It makes our Vodka one of the purest. But it's not just for vodka, it works beautifully for water too. Try a Trump & Tonic today!!
(Score: 5, Informative) by leftover on Friday March 08 2019, @08:34PM (6 children)
Boiling, really? Just how will that remove metals and their salts, glyphosate, or even the usual phosphates and nitrogen compounds? I live in Ohio, USA, where a river once caught fire and one of the Great Lakes periodically becomes poisonous. Puddles of toxic liquid industrial waste on the bottoms of rivers are declared to be "safe" if they are no longer actively moving downstream. Fracking waste with unknown components is still being injected at high pressure back into the just-fractured rock under our aquifers.
Cleanup in less than one century is an ignorant pipe dream.
Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @09:03PM
What's going on that those will become a problem? A lot of things can cause "taint". The worst is none of the above chemicals, but bacteria and viruses which can grow exponentially in water supplies, but are very easy to remove, if you know what you're doing.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:10PM (4 children)
Are you sure that is accurate. There are irregularities surrounding how Ohio became a state:
https://www.thegreenpapers.com/slg/explanation-ohio-statehood.phtml [thegreenpapers.com]
Yes, "jokes"...
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday March 08 2019, @11:02PM
1953, they did the "law" about that one. Saying, Ohio had been a state for 150 years. It hadn't been a state. But, they made it one. And nobody questions that it's been a state for 65 years now. One of the most important for our Presidential Elections. But I never forget, ALL states are in play for those. And -- people don't know this -- District of Columbia. You are not forgotten!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:41AM (2 children)
fait accompli
Look it up. You can find mountains of irregularities, if you care to. It won't change the fact that Ohio is a state today.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:16PM (1 child)
If we lived in a nation of laws rather than decrees, Ohio wouldn't be a state.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:29PM
We don't live in a nation of laws. No law has ever died on a battlefield in defense of this nation. Not at Bunker Hill, not at Gettysburg, not at Omaha Beach, not in Iraq, or any other godforsaken place where American boys bled their lives away.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @08:23PM
in demockracy everything is a political issue
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @08:25PM (4 children)
So Trump is actually forcing people to pollute now? Even if you wanted to not leave your trash at the campground, now it is illegal not to? More formally:
And don't people get these laws are named to do the opposite of what they accomplish yet?
I know people at companies that make money off doing various environment sampling and tests. From what I hear, the common perception of the effectiveness of these regulations is highly overstated. Further, there are at least 3 layers of these regulations with conflicting standards and rules (federal, state, municipal) that waste everyones time. There is more time spend on paperwork and dealing with various EPAs about stuff like how many nitrile gloves can be used per month than in actually testing the samples.
(Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday March 08 2019, @09:12PM (3 children)
Shockingly, if you stop punishing companies for polluting, they'll start polluting again. Because just dumping it is a hell of a lot cheaper than disposing of whatever properly.
Regulation exists because at some point it was proved that without the regulation, jerks wouldn't act reasonably in the first place. So maybe that's not always the case, but in this instance it definitely is.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:15PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday March 11 2019, @03:17PM
If all you need to do is buy them a couple beers to come to a certain conclusion, I'm not going to trust what they say either way.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:11PM
This "stop punishing" thing is not happening yet.
But regulation also exists because some politicians wanted to pretend to do something.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:09PM
That is one of those "white people" ideas that everyone hates now.