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posted by chromas on Friday March 08 2019, @07:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the water?-like-out-the-toilet? dept.

Since water is a key ingredient in beer, it being mostly water, polluted water threatens beer quality.

Thursday a group of 59 craft breweries sent a letter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers opposing the agencies' "Dirty Water Rule" proposal to slash clean water protections for waterways around the country.

These brewers, who are partners in NRDC's Brewers for Clean Water campaign, are standing up for safeguards that protect the sources of clean water on which their businesses depend.


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @08:16PM (18 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @08:16PM (#811702) Journal

    Once the water is tainted it can take a human lifetime or longer to clean it up.

    Or you can boil it for three minutes. The possibilities are endless!

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Barenflimski on Friday March 08 2019, @08:18PM (10 children)

    by Barenflimski (6836) on Friday March 08 2019, @08:18PM (#811703)

    Boiling water doesn't remove chemicals like Prozac or Lead.

    One Prozac-Lead beer coming up for you fine sir.

    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 08 2019, @08:53PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday March 08 2019, @08:53PM (#811725) Journal

      Hell, that may explain his brain-damaged libertarian gibbering...Hallow was prboably that Ralph Wiggum-looking kid in the back row eating all the wall candy.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @09:00PM (7 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @09:00PM (#811730) Journal

      Boiling water doesn't remove chemicals like Prozac or Lead.

      It takes quite a bit of those chemicals to cause such problems. Neither is particularly hard to remove from drinking water (though admittedly the process would take somewhat longer than 15 minutes, though nowhere near a human lifetime).

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:21PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:21PM (#811750)

        It wasn't an exhaustive list, you moron.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:18PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:18PM (#812139) Journal

          It wasn't an exhaustive list, you moron.

          Come on, it was a hysterical, over-the-top post that I replied to in the first place. Where's your criticism of that?

          At some point, we need to realize a bunch of stuff. Not everything magically taints water supplies for a human lifetime and we can regulate more those that are actually more dangerous. Finally, we, including these beer makers, have the power to filter "tainted" water supplies ourselves, assuming it actually is a problem in far less time than a human lifetime.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @11:03PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @11:03PM (#812166)

            Asking people to not fuck up water is hysterical and over the top now? That's the only reasonable and rational thing to do in fact.

            Why should the brewers have to pay for cleaning up the water they didn't pollute in the first place? Why should people who use the waterways for recreation like swimming or canoeing have to settle with an open sewer? What about the wildlife there? Polluter pays, that's what makes sense.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 11 2019, @12:17PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 11 2019, @12:17PM (#812641) Journal

              Asking people to not fuck up water is hysterical and over the top now?

              Yes, it is. We're not even close to a situation (in the US where Trump is an issue) where that question is relevant.

              Why should people who use the waterways for recreation like swimming or canoeing have to settle with an open sewer?

              Because that's where they are. I assume you realize the animals that live in and near those waterways don't poop into regulated disposal systems.

              What about the wildlife there?

              Indeed. They should be following regulation too!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @11:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @11:49PM (#811821)

        Dude! You're funny as hell! You got all yer "liberal" buddies dancing like Mexican Jumping Beans there! Keep up the good work! Oh, and fuck you too! I mean that in the most possible way... Wait.. I mean, Did I say that? I feel so very sorry...

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @12:07AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @12:07AM (#811826)

        Trolling people over shit like this isn't some super clever thing to do, you know that right? You're basically asking people to figure out just how much of an idiot you are. "Is it a serious statement they made? Cause it sounds pretty stupid so hopefully it is just trolling."

        While it would be wonderful if that logic worked, sadly there are lots of idiots who might say stupid shit like "boil the water to purify". They heard their grandpappy give them such advice and never bothered to think beyond that! The same reason so many Southerners want to say n***** all the time. Their elders surely weren't complete fucking morons right? RIGHT?

        Trolling can be fun, but when done maliciously it is just plain stupid. No one can magically KNOW you aren't an idiot, and given the preponderance of uneducated people in the US it is safer to assume that yes, you are an idiot.

        Have fun trolling you fuckwads.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:12PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:12PM (#812136) Journal

          You're basically asking people to figure out just how much of an idiot you are.

          And apparently, they're just not very good at it, huh?

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by realDonaldTrump on Friday March 08 2019, @10:54PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday March 08 2019, @10:54PM (#811802) Homepage Journal

      Yes it does. When you do the very special "boiling" process we do for Trump Vodka. We call it, Distilling. It makes our Vodka one of the purest. But it's not just for vodka, it works beautifully for water too. Try a Trump & Tonic today!!

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by leftover on Friday March 08 2019, @08:34PM (6 children)

    by leftover (2448) on Friday March 08 2019, @08:34PM (#811717)

    Boiling, really? Just how will that remove metals and their salts, glyphosate, or even the usual phosphates and nitrogen compounds? I live in Ohio, USA, where a river once caught fire and one of the Great Lakes periodically becomes poisonous. Puddles of toxic liquid industrial waste on the bottoms of rivers are declared to be "safe" if they are no longer actively moving downstream. Fracking waste with unknown components is still being injected at high pressure back into the just-fractured rock under our aquifers.

    Cleanup in less than one century is an ignorant pipe dream.

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    Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Friday March 08 2019, @09:03PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 08 2019, @09:03PM (#811731) Journal

      Just how will that remove metals and their salts, glyphosate, or even the usual phosphates and nitrogen compounds?

      What's going on that those will become a problem? A lot of things can cause "taint". The worst is none of the above chemicals, but bacteria and viruses which can grow exponentially in water supplies, but are very easy to remove, if you know what you're doing.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:10PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 08 2019, @09:10PM (#811738)

      I live in Ohio, USA, ...

      Are you sure that is accurate. There are irregularities surrounding how Ohio became a state:

      In short: Ohio seems to have been immediately, and most fully, accepted as the 17th State of the Union (for Congress seated its Senators and Representative, clearly accepting their credentials to so represent a constituent State of the Union and, thereby, so obviously indicating Congress' intent in 2 Stat. 201) without any apparent qualm whatsoever. But, as Ohio prepared to celebrate its Sesquecentennial come the early 1950s, the manner in which Ohio had (or had it?) been admitted as a State would become an issue.

      [...]

      from then on, except for a few notable instances, an Enabling Act specifically authorizing the drafting of a State Constitution and the election of a government under same would usually be followed by some explicit and authentic act (early on, an Act of Admission in the form of a Joint Resolution by Congress; in more recent times, a Proclamation by the President of the United States) declaring such new State to, as was the case with Louisiana, "be one of the United States of America, and admitted to the Union on an equal footing with the original states, in all respects whatever".

      Problem is: when the organizers of Ohio's Sesquecentennial, a few years before the event itself, began to search for the original of a similar document for their State, they could find none... because, of course, no such declaratory document existed (because, in turn, no such document was at all necessary, as I will soon explain). This dilemma was, soon enough, publicized and actually became something of a butt of jokes: Federal officers- elective and appointed- from Ohio were overheard waxing humorously about how, perhaps, they were being paid a U.S. Government salary under false pretenses.

      But not everybody was so joking: scholars began to parse the two Congressional statutes relative to Admission, arguing back and forth- with all due seriousness- as to whether or not Ohio was "really" a State of the Union

      https://www.thegreenpapers.com/slg/explanation-ohio-statehood.phtml [thegreenpapers.com]

      Yes, "jokes"...

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday March 08 2019, @11:02PM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday March 08 2019, @11:02PM (#811808) Homepage Journal

        1953, they did the "law" about that one. Saying, Ohio had been a state for 150 years. It hadn't been a state. But, they made it one. And nobody questions that it's been a state for 65 years now. One of the most important for our Presidential Elections. But I never forget, ALL states are in play for those. And -- people don't know this -- District of Columbia. You are not forgotten!

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:41AM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:41AM (#811885) Journal

        fait accompli

        Look it up. You can find mountains of irregularities, if you care to. It won't change the fact that Ohio is a state today.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:16PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:16PM (#812037)

          If we lived in a nation of laws rather than decrees, Ohio wouldn't be a state.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:29PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:29PM (#812042) Journal

            We don't live in a nation of laws. No law has ever died on a battlefield in defense of this nation. Not at Bunker Hill, not at Gettysburg, not at Omaha Beach, not in Iraq, or any other godforsaken place where American boys bled their lives away.