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Chelsea Manning sent to jail for refusing to testify in WikiLeaks case
Former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning will be held in jail until she testifies before a grand jury or that grand jury is no longer operating, a federal judge in Alexandria ruled Friday.
Most of the hearing at which prosecutors argued for Manning to be held in contempt was sealed, but the court was open to the public for Judge Claude M. Hilton's ruling. "I've found you in contempt," Hilton said. He ordered her to custody immediately, "either until you purge yourself or the end of the life of the grand jury."
Manning was called to testify in an investigation into WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy website she shared classified documents with back in 2010. Manning served seven years of a 35 year prison sentence for her leak before receiving a commutation from President Barack Obama.
Outside court before the hearing, Manning said she was prepared to go to jail. "These secret proceedings tend to favor the government," she said. "I'm always willing to explain things publicly."
Older article. Also at BBC, The Guardian, and Associated Press.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Snotnose on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:40AM (28 children)
Can't really add anything, subject says it all. This is a very scary slippery slope we're sliding down.
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:50AM (25 children)
I will note that "contempt of court" has always been a thing. Please explain this "slippery slope".
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:59AM (13 children)
Well, the right wing nut jobs see someone who is transgender and shit their pants. So things get slippery.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:02AM (10 children)
while left wing nut jobs see someone confused, and start creaming in their panties - even more slippery
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @06:34AM (9 children)
You see, your reply needs to be grounded in reality for it to be poignant. Conservatives metaphorically shit their pants, start screaming "rape!" and whatnot when they encounter transgenders. Liberals see someone discovering their sexuality and they try to not be rude. It can be a little awkward at first, but just a little practice and it isn't that big a deal. The same genetic argument you make for strict gender typing doesn't always map perfectly to someone's mental configuration. Being gay is not a choice, identifying as male/female is not a choice.
That said, there is a spectrum of sexuality, most easily thought of in percentages. People can lie anywhere along the spectrum, from totally hetero to totally homo, and your uncomfortableness with this more recent popular acceptance is a YOU problem. It is now considered standard politeness to address someone as their obvious gender. If you have an issue it is ok to apologize and maybe even converse about it, but realize the "situation" is your problem. You are the antagonist.
So "PC" and "SJW" is really just people asking for standard politeness. No gender or racial slurs please, address people respectfully. That goes for all people, including whiteys (I can say that, its an in-group reference but as always mind the trolls) so we should spend a little more time worrying about the literal damage being done to our planet by our activities. Seek sustainability, use wind power stations to regulate extreme weather (HUGE fucking infrastructure needed NOW), tidal, potential massive flooding and damns to compartmentalize mass destruction.
Oh right, money. Umm, get over it and build some decent spreadsheets. No single human earns more than 100x any other. Seems fair, peak of your game and you're worth 100 other human beings. Then its resource management and we have plenty of people to help out with that. Money really shouldn't be the stumbling block of humanity. "Hey, those poor bastards got so hung up on their economic system that the population was decimated." They have some nice little villages now though, and they didn't completely forget how to use electricity.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:39AM (1 child)
Asking for politeness would be reasonable. You are not doing that. You are making demands, and then attacking people who disagree or who had a different notion of what is "obvious."
How did this thread start? Someone absolutely had to "correct" the pronoun used by AC, when pronouns have nothing at all to do with the story, and it's clear that AC doesn't give two hoots about which pronoun is preferred and deliberately used the opposite one. But SJWs have to score their virtue points somehow, don't they?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:11PM
Found the asshole
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @10:24AM (2 children)
You're on the left I see. You wouldn't be islamophobic, would you? Of course not! They have a beautiful culture, and can't be held to oppressive western standards...
This pronoun issue is going to die along with the people who care about asking people what their pronouns are. All such people will be killed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:13PM
Found the psychopath
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 09 2019, @09:41PM
You can be on the left and have a very rational fear--so not a "phobia" in the psychiatric sense--of Islam, and indeed all the Abrahamic religions. I sure as hell am and do. The key, though, is to fear the ideology, not the people, the disease, not the carriers. Or, put another more popular way, "hate the sin, not the sinner."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @02:35PM (2 children)
So, uhhhm, you're appealing to me on the basis of some form of "politeness"? Hmmmmm . . .
Well, you know, I can actually do some of that, for some people who are very different from me. I can even do it for queers, of whatever variety. But - and this is a REALLY BIG BUT - we're talking about Bradley Manning here. If that little fuckwit happened to spontaneously combust in front of me, I wouldn't piss on him to put out the fire. The most polite thing that I could possibly do for him, is not to shoot him out of hand, if I should ever meet him.
While I have synonyms in mind, let me look up some more:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @06:24PM
AC was going to try to appeal to you on the basis of pedantry but it seems someone beat him to it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:16PM
Found the.. oh it is Runaway. We find these truths to be self evident....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 10 2019, @07:29AM
No it's not. Political correctness is the reason "colored person" is racist while "person of color" is not. "Black" used to be the correct term but now you have to say "African American".
wat
Is this word salad? Are you a bot?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:33AM (1 child)
Well usually they have the courtesy to wait until the weekend proper.
Some of us are still sober!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @07:19AM
zhmm, Slippery Runaway, with skidmarks! Kinky! Where are the Ruskie Poopie Tapes?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:06AM (3 children)
2 words; "secret court". Or, if you prefer, "Secret proceedings'.
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:10AM (2 children)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Spamalope on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:18AM (1 child)
I guess you have to be at Hillary's level to use the 'I don't remember' defense.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by legont on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:40AM
Hillary Clinton is a liar, while Manning is not.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 3, Informative) by RandomFactor on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:20AM (3 children)
I'll take "What is a straw man?" for 100, Alex.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:43AM (2 children)
And, I'm sure you'll be very happy with your strawman, although no government in the United States will recognize your marriage to an inanimate object.
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Saturday March 09 2019, @05:03AM
Hmmm, i guess. I was referring to the battling AC strawmen below you.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:43AM
And yet you are considered "marriageable". Isn't that ironic.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DrkShadow on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:20AM
There is an amendment, I believe it's the first one, that includes a right to freedom of speech (or not). I know, I know, it's worth nothing more than toilet paper now'adays, but anyway.
This toilet paper says explicitly that congress shall make no law infringing upon one's right to free speech. The judicial branch, being the judicial branch, cannot make law, and so isn't relevant here.
Consider that there _can_be_no_ law requiring speech of someone -- testimony. Congress isn't permitted to make such a law and the judicial branch can't make such law.
That slippery slope that was mentioned -- it's extralegal detainment, as evidenced here.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:09PM (1 child)
I think the only notable thing here is
>Most of the hearing at which prosecutors argued for Manning to be held in contempt was sealed.
Trials about secret stuff are one thing. Secret trials are another and have no place in a democracy.
Manning can be a traitor or a hero[ine] or both, does not matter.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 09 2019, @03:51PM
Maybe we need a few more details. This is a Grand Jury, not a trial, right? I believe that it is common for grand juries to be closed, sealed, or otherwise secretive. The rules of a grand jury are quite different from the rules for juries in trials. The burden of proof is quite different, as well. While I agree that secret hearings, secret courts, and a myriad of other secrets are anti-democracy, grand juries, maybe not so much. All that happens in a grand jury is, the prosecutor convinces the jurists that something illegal may have happened, and that an investigation and a prosecution should take place.
I will also note that Manning is to be jailed for as long as the grand jury remains in existence, OR until he agrees to testify. That will *almost* certainly be for less than a year, and probably less than six months, possibly even less than a month. I don't think that grand juries are generally long lived.
And, finally, contempt of court is a more-or-less accepted tool that courts can use to compel a witness or defendant to do something. In this case, the court is attempting to compel Manning to testify.
I'm not sure where I stand on the secretiveness of this particular hearing, nor of the secretiveness of grand juries in general.
As a rule, I agree with you about secret hearings and secred courts. Maybe this grand jury is being abusive, maybe not. Maybe grand juries in general are abusive with their powers and authorities, maybe not. But, what I'm seeing is a common-place kind of thing here. It happens in every county in this nation, pretty routinely.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:49PM
Considering that she agreed to give evidence if the hearing was public, I have to agree.
OTOH, while I may think this judge abusive and unjust, I must acknowledge that there have been judges like that back to the Alien and Sedition acts...and you can't go much further back and still be in the same legal system. "Contempt of Court" is a decision that nearly begs to be abused.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @06:12PM
Are you serious?
Slippery slope was passed a long time ago...