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Chelsea Manning sent to jail for refusing to testify in WikiLeaks case
Former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning will be held in jail until she testifies before a grand jury or that grand jury is no longer operating, a federal judge in Alexandria ruled Friday.
Most of the hearing at which prosecutors argued for Manning to be held in contempt was sealed, but the court was open to the public for Judge Claude M. Hilton's ruling. "I've found you in contempt," Hilton said. He ordered her to custody immediately, "either until you purge yourself or the end of the life of the grand jury."
Manning was called to testify in an investigation into WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy website she shared classified documents with back in 2010. Manning served seven years of a 35 year prison sentence for her leak before receiving a commutation from President Barack Obama.
Outside court before the hearing, Manning said she was prepared to go to jail. "These secret proceedings tend to favor the government," she said. "I'm always willing to explain things publicly."
Older article. Also at BBC, The Guardian, and Associated Press.
(Score: 1, Informative) by loonycyborg on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:54AM (9 children)
Gender is purely social construct, only objective thing about it is which part you take during procreation(and currently it's impossible to change person's sex without disrupting fertility). Attaching any other meaning to it is prejudice. Consequently I wouldn't consider a person who wants to try out other societal template to be having a medical condition. But why limit yourself to boring old templates of "male" and "female"?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Saturday March 09 2019, @04:03PM (8 children)
No, it isn't. It is a biological state.
The only relevant question as to a person's actual gender is, are the individual's chromosomes XX, XY, or other? Other is very, very rare, but it happens.
Those things, and the various downstream biological development related issues, are what determine gender.
All else is various combinations of surgery, plumage, and behavior. Those things cannot accomplish actual gender change. They comprise various degrees of posing, no more than that.
Having gone there, and no doubt ruffled a few feathers, I will add this: It's absolutely no problem if someone wants to pose as a gender they are actually not in the general case. Also no problem if they want to go as far as to have surgery to meet whatever imitative standard they personally embrace. More power to them, and have fun, I hope. Doesn't matter what bathroom they use, doesn't matter what clothes they choose, or how they walk. Etc., for everything that is not actively sexual.
Everyone poses. When someone says something idiotic, and I respond politely, I am posing. What I am actually thinking is that they are an idiot. When we choose specific clothing, shoes, jewelry, makeup, etc., we are posing — even when the choice is "I don't care." We still have made a choice. We are establishing a set of apparent characteristics and signals for others to take in, and hopefully, perceive us as we would prefer. That's pretty much a basic human instinct as far as I can determine, something the vast majority all have in common. So pose away. Everyone. Again, by all means, have fun.
However... someone posing as the opposite gender should clearly and unequivocally let anyone know exactly what they are doing in this regard before they allow any sort of sexual component to arise in a relationship. Doesn't matter if it's straight or gay sex; most (almost all) people make very specific and consequential choices as to consent based on the gender they believe they are interacting with.
The root problem is one of informed consent. Like all such problems, if a person in the circumstance is led to it without being informed, it is an abject violation of their liberties, as informed consent cannot have taken place. That is always a bad thing.
Personally, upon being so informed at the proper time, I'd disengage as politely as I know how from any sexual aspect (which is quite polite.) If I weren't so informed, I'd end the relationship when I found out based on what I consider to be an absolutely unforgivable violation of trust and personal liberty. Perhaps not quite as politely, but I like to think I'd at least try to go there.
But my polite outlook is not typical. Many people would react far more strongly than I would, whether we as a society (or at least, the sane portion of society) would prefer that to be the case, or not. It can be outright dangerous to take these poses into a sexual relationship sub-rosa, as well as a violation of trust and personal liberty. So doing it is both wrong and may be unsafe.
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(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Saturday March 09 2019, @06:39PM (4 children)
By "very rare", you mean quite possibly 1 in every 60 people or so who aren't quite one of the standard 2 physical sex packages. That's a bit unusual, but not so unusual as to be "very rare". Until recently, it was common for doctors to "fix" whatever the baby was born as by surgically converting them into one of the 2 standard models.
And yes, disclosure before sex is part of the etiquette to my understanding, and trans and intersex folks talk a lot amongst themselves about when to disclose what. However, they do have to be extremely careful about it, because disclosing not-totally-infrequently leads to them being murdered, especially if they're transwomen talking to cismen. You can understand why they're a bit nervous about doing so under those conditions.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday March 09 2019, @07:07PM (3 children)
Here's some reasonably trustworthy data:
XXX syndrome: frequency is approximately 1 in 1,000 female infants; occurs more commonly with older mothers.
Turner syndrome (females with only one X chromosome): estimates of its frequency range from 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 female infants.
Klinefelter syndrome (XXY or more rarely XXXY or XY/XXY): frequency of Klinefelter syndrome has been reported to be between 1 in 500 and 1 in 1000 male births.
Jacob's syndrome (males inherit an extra Y chromosome, XYY): this may be as common as 1 in 900 male births to as rare as 1 in 1500 or even 1 in 2,000.
Reference [palomar.edu]
Mine as well. However, for the rabid and/or neurotic — on both sides of the issue — it's well worth laying it out explicitly. With particular emphasis on before any potentially sexually charged contact, from hand-holding, hugs, kisses, and up, because anything later is broken.
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Coincidence? I think not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:26PM (2 children)
Ah the fools who think gender is only tied to genitals. Doesn't explain homosexuality, a trait found in other species so it isn't just some mental disorder.
Get educated before you spout off like an expert.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @08:51PM
Why are you so foolish to think that your choice in sex partners depends on your gender?
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Sunday March 10 2019, @09:43PM
Ah, those fine individuals who can't comprehend what they read:
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(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 09 2019, @11:55PM (2 children)
You are confusing gender with sex. Gender is social; sex is biologic, and the biology is much less clean than you think. You should try reading about androgen insensitivity sometime.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 10 2019, @02:17AM
I'll just listen to an early Bowie album or two. He seemed to have figured things out.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Sunday March 10 2019, @10:09PM
No, you are confusing gender with posing. Despite the politically correct attempt to arrogate gender as an amorphous term for posing, or not posing, as a gender one is not; gender is a fixed thing you are born with.
Gender is specifically your actual sexual identity, without regard to any posing you might be doing to make people (perhaps including yourself) imagine otherwise.
Short of genetic revision post-birth, gender is the cards you're dealt. That doesn't — can't, as yet — change no matter what cards you pretend to have, regardless of what combination your posing is based upon: plumage, drug regimens, surgery, and/or behavior.
No matter how enthusiastically you pose as a gender you are not, you're no more that other gender than a white man wearing blackface is a black man. It's a pose.
Let me be perfectly clear: If you're born a woman, you will always be a woman; if you're born a man, you will always be a man; and if you're born as other, you'll always be that, too... there's no fix for such mutations. Yet.
"Identifying" as the gender you aren't is a pose. No more, no less. Nothing at all wrong with it unless you try to deceive someone into an act in a non-informed, and hence non-consensual manner. But that doesn't somehow make a change in reality. For that, you're going to have to look to (considerable) future advancement in the genetic sciences.
AIS is a hormone-related deleterious mutation that affects males (XY). If the individual was female (XX), it wouldn't have that effect. See how that works? There are uncountable mutations that have deleterious (and beneficial) effects upon the body. That's a downstream issue from gender; and for AIS, that is patently obvious from the fact that it only affects males.
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