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Christchurch shootings at two mosques leave 49 dead, Australian arrested in relation to terror attack
At least one gunman with a semi-automatic weapon attacked worshippers gathering for Friday prayers in two locations: a mosque at Deans Avenue in central Christchurch and another mosque in the nearby suburb of Linwood.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed one of the people taken into custody was an Australian-born citizen.
The ABC has identified Grafton man Brenton Tarrant as the man visible in livestreamed footage of the attack.
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Two improvised explosive devices (IEDs) were found on a nearby vehicle, but defence force officers disarmed one and are still working on disarming the second.
stuff.co.nz - Black Caps v Bangladesh [cricket] test cancelled after gunmen attack Christchurch mosques
The test match between the Black Caps and Bangladesh will not go ahead.
The Bangladesh cricket team escaped the Christchurch mosque near Hagley Park where a mass shooting took place on Friday. They were due to play New Zealand a short distance away at Hagley Oval on Saturday.
stuff.co.nz - live coverage
* A gunman walked into a mosque on Deans Ave, Christchurch carrying a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire. He live streamed the attack.
* A second shooting occurred at a mosque in Linwood.
* At least 49 people were dead as of 9pm - 41 at the Central Mosque, 7 at Linwood Mosque, 1 in Christchurch Hospital.
* 48 people are in hospital with gunshots wounds as of 9pm, including young children. Other injured went to medical centres.
* A 28-year-old man has been charged with murder and is due to appear in the Christchurch District Court on Saturday morning.
* He was arrested on Brougham St in a car which had explosives and guns inside.
El Grauniad - Rightwing extremist wrote manifesto before livestreaming Christchurch shooting
The man who livestreamed himself attacking a Christchurch mosque and murdering at least 40 people identified himself online before the rampage as Australian citizen Brenton Tarrant.
On a now-deleted Twitter account, Tarrant posted multiple photos of what appear to be machine gun magazines and a link to what is being described as a manifesto for his actions.
The 74-page document starts off quoting a Dylan Thomas poem, Do not go gentle into that good night, and then moves onto a rant about white genocide.
Tarrant outlines his motivations: including to “create an atmosphere of fear” and to “incite violence” against Muslims while offering up autobiographical details.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:16PM (64 children)
From the shooters manifesto:
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:29PM (14 children)
So the guy was very confused and post-truthy, what a surprise.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:48PM (13 children)
He self-identified as an "eco-fascist". Fascism grew from Marxism, that is not "post-truth" it is hard, indisputable fact.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:41PM (12 children)
And water is not wet, the pope does not wear a funny hat and bears don't shit in the woods ... other hard, indisputable facts.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:17PM (11 children)
If we're going for the sarcasm take, add yourself being educated to the list!
Giovanni Gentile [rationalwiki.org] and Benito Mussolini were Marxist scholars before publishing La Dottrina del Fascismo.
Why are leftists like Ilhan Omar and Jeremy Corbyn considered antisemitic? From where did the Black Front [wikipedia.org] get their ideas?
Collectivist ideologies and their proponents are murderous and to be condemned.
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:50AM (6 children)
Mussolini [wikipedia.org]
"Denounced". Like in "no longer agreeing with" to say the least.
Sorry, but it seems to me fascism grew from the denouncing of marxism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:28AM (5 children)
The Marxists believed WW1 would result in the proletariat overthrowing the bourgeoisie. The schism occurred when that didn't happen and class conflict was abandoned by many Marxists who then became fascists. Further illustrated by former left wing British MP Oswald Mosley and his BUF. [wordpress.com] As further paralleled by the contemptuous rejection of the working class by today's left who favor identity politics and race conflict in their lust for murderous power. We could diverge here into a discussion on George Bernard Shaw [historia.ro] and
fabianismIngSoc.Why '1984'? [theguardian.com]
After annihilating Stalinism in Animal Farm, Orwell turned his ire to elitist socialists -- the total war society depicted in 1984 being undeniably fascistic.
If you think fascism emerged from liberalism, you are deluded. Despite the death toll, it's never "real socialism" as far as socialists are concerned huh?
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:48AM (4 children)
I think fascism emerged from Mussolini, not from marxism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:18AM (3 children)
Mussolini the Marxist? [wikipedia.org]
But what of his support for Nietzsche's Ubermensch, surely that wasn't socialist? [wikipedia.org] What about his support for the war? [wikipedia.org]
Can't say the syndicalist policies were left wing though huh? [libertarianism.org]
Sorry dude. Fascism grew from Marxism in opposition to liberal capitalism - historical fact!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:34AM (2 children)
Because it's an established fact that, in spite of denunciation, a man never actually changes his mind and values in the course off his life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:43PM
Fascism rejected class struggle but employed syndicalism. The ideas behind Fascism emerged from the left but were subjugated to the nation state. Lenin sought to destroy the nation state but the USSR was ultimately centrally planned state socialism, replete with expansionist policies and forced labor camps. Denounce that!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:11PM
the problem with people like you is that you are dishonest. just admit the truth you fucking weasel!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:40AM (3 children)
Whereas individual stochastic anti-semitic (anti-Jewish, or anti Muslim) terrorists are murderous, and, what is your point?
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:30AM
Fascism [wikipedia.org] is not an individualist ideology. Try again!
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:52AM
He doesn't have one, but likes hearing himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:13PM
this lazy minded slave didn't read the manifesto and gets his news from the fucking idiot box.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @08:32PM (7 children)
His description of Trump: " a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose"
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:38PM
Ask Andrew Yang [thedailybeast.com] how he feels about that.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:15PM
Editing. In the last few years I've been ignoring everything written about writings, and just reading the writings myself. Anyway, entire quote:
"As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no."
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:23PM
Informative? Our resident DNC Donor left out salient details that don't fit his narrative. Here's the full description:
(Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Friday March 15 2019, @10:44PM
You're quoting Brenton Tarrant Great Replacement Manifesto, from Scribd. Very interesting reading, is it very interesting? That one is something I haven't read yet. But, I read what the Washington Times said about it. And they had a little bit more of a quote than what you put. Otherwise known as, context. Brenton, like you, is a Donald J. Trump Hater. Because he said about me, "as a policymaker and leader, dear god no." But as usual, you quote very selectively. Trying to make me look bad, simply because I'm a Republican. And I guess you think, if a bad person or a Nut Job thinks I'm a terrible leader (wrong) that makes Dems look bad. Or, makes the Dems look like Nut Jobs. Which, possibly it does. 49 "innocent" Muslims are dead in N. Z. (RIP!!). For me it's very sad & I sent Condolences (not prayers because the Muslim God is not my God). For you it's a way to win political points. Sometimes known as talking points. That to me, looks really bad. And the Dumb Dem Moderators love you for it. Disgusting!!! washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/14/brenton-tarrant-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-used-fa [washingtontimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:57AM
I do not think it means what you think it means. [google.com]
Understand? [youtube.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:38PM
You should be ashamed of yourself for not posting the full quote.
The meaning of the full quote is significantly different.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:52PM
More likely to be linked to the Clintons. From the net:
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @08:41PM (37 children)
Conservative Candace Owens ‘influenced me above all’: New Zealand gunman [nypost.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:51PM (36 children)
A black conservative influenced a psychopathic white supremacist? Think about why he name checked her - you're being played.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @09:03PM (35 children)
He's conservative and he likes Trump.
He's a rightwing terrorist, THE END.
Why are there never any leftwing terrorists, I wonder...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:17PM (1 child)
You read the news reports about the manifesto, not the manifesto itself.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:18PM
yes and every single one of these media whore pieces of shit are misrepresenting everything they think they can get away with. his manifesto is way too inconvenient, not that i agree with all of it. these propagandists are like wanna be priests: the controlled go-betweens of truth.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:20PM (2 children)
Maybe leftists don't have a culture of target practice? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Scalise#2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:14AM
A Bernie Sanders supporter? That's still a supporter of capitalism, so it is only "left" relative to the reactionary orientation of the two major capitalist parties. Still rightwards of most Trotskyists, even the ones at Socialist Alternative (who think Bernie is insane for not using his mass appeal to form a socialist party independent of the Democratic Party... and then there is wswswsws and their rejection of parliamentarianism as a feasible method of proletarian revolution).
If Bernie Sanders is "left," your political spectrum sucks. You're viewing the world with blinders on, seeing only the false, skewed dichotomies the ruling class wants you to see, because those false dichotomies keep you under control while letting you think you have a choice. (viz. "The matrix has you.") But I see why the original gewg_ gave up.
Speaking of the Matrix... one of the underappreciated aspects of the sequels is that the myth of the "one" itself is another system of control designed to mislead. Instead of being a neat sci-fi thing like the matrix itself, the real system of control uses the oldest method in the book: propaganda (specifically, the myth of the "one" itself). The machines don't actually need special effects extravaganza. They just need to convince the humans that there is a method of rebellion (i.e. the Democratic Party), funnel discontent into that method of rebellion, while keeping it a tightly guarded secret that the method of rebellion remains firmly under the control and supervision of the machines. (Also sort of goes back to wswswsws' rejection of parliamentarianism.)
The Seattle General Strike (and the road not taken that leads NO ONE KNOWS WHERE) shows that workers are completely capable of running a city without catering to untalented, unskilled, unproductive, parasitical MBA PHBs who only know how to create drama ("there is no money!" *coughbullshitcough*) and waste time with TPS reports.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:05PM
I saw a copy of the video that this bastard livestreamed during the massacre. He wasn't using the rifle sight inside the mosque—more like point and shoot. In the car afterwards, the fucker says something like, "I didn't even have time to aim—there were too many targets."
I saw the video here. It's incredibly disturbing.
https://boost.catbox.moe/bsckol.mp4 [catbox.moe]
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:34PM (3 children)
He's not a conservative and he doesn't like Trump.
He's a fascistic psychopath.
After Mohammed, "propaganda by deed" [nytimes.com] AKA "modern terrorism" came from the left.
I'm done. The psychopath states clearly in his manifesto that his intent is to cause the fractious partisan bickering that you're now engaging in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:44PM (2 children)
And what do you think the difference is?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:03PM (1 child)
Not all fascistic psychopaths are right wing terrorists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:43AM
But all right wing terrorists are fascisitic psychopaths.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @09:43PM (25 children)
Like Antifa? I have to agree that there's no 49 people killed by left wing gunman, at least in the US. It's pretty low grade, "punch a nazi" street terrorism - probably never qualify legally.
My take is that the reason why is that the sponsors of the terrorism changed. Back in the 1970s when left wing terrorism was sexy, particularly in Europe, there was a lot of material support for it from the USSR (and its satellite countries like East Germany). They didn't care that it was violent as long as it further Soviet goals. They were bringing down Western society, and willing to get their hands dirty to do that. Also, almost all of them were completely out of reach of any attempt at justice.
Now though, such groups are funded by some combination of middle and upper class donors from the same places (or similar ones). Sure, you probably have billionaire sponsors like Soros who not only have an interest in not screwing things up much for their own business, but also an aversion to serving jail time for mass murder and such. But you also have lots more small donors who like some action for whatever reasons, but would be turned off by overt terrorist acts.
Many right wing groups are funded in a similar fashion, like the NRA, and they don't have an interest in violence either.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:57PM (23 children)
"Punching a Nazi" is not terrorism, it is law enforcement. Nazis were made illegal after WWII. False equivalency, khallow, and not a very good one. Are you feeling alright?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:15PM (4 children)
1) You do not have a moral or legal right to violently assault people who's political views you find abhorrent 2) Political violence is terrorism, defined as...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @10:23PM (1 child)
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:34PM
Now, that is terrorism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:17AM (1 child)
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pakistan-1000-girls-forced-to-convert-to-islam-every-year/60338.htm [christiantoday.com]
Some people think it is their god given right to be violently oppressive
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 17 2019, @08:03AM
"go and make all people my bitches" -- god in the christian bible
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:20PM (7 children)
Nazis are only illegal in Germany dumbass. In America we have freedom of speech (for now)
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:05PM (2 children)
I dare you to log in and post that, citizen.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:59PM
America FTW...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:19AM
He can't. His Internet Licence was revoked after he posted right-wing comments in support of Trump after he was impeached and jailed
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:48AM (3 children)
And who made Nazism illegal in Germany? Americans! Martin Heidegger was prohibited from teaching or publishing for five years after the war, based on his membership in the Nazi party. His legacy is still besmirched by his poor judgment, and his treason against his mentor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:33AM (2 children)
You're learning.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:09AM
He knows, he was there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:21AM
True. But. It was the Russians who hung around for a couple of years to loot the place and rape the women
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:40PM (9 children)
That comment is not insightful. I won't feel the slightest twinge of sympathy for a Nazi getting punched, but I won't feel any guilt for the puncher to get charged with assault. Do not normalize violence as a means of handling arguments, no matter how shitty the other person is.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:47PM (6 children)
It's not torture it's ... ENHANCED INTERROGATION!!1
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:50AM (5 children)
Punching Nazis in the face is not an argument or disagreement, it is just how you say "hello" to Nazis. It is always polite to talk to people in the language they understand. Punching Nazis is a greeting!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:14AM (3 children)
I can't wait till one of you Antifa idiots assault someone with a CCW and wins a free trip to the morgue. No doubt assholes like you will race to social media howling like monkeys, but the rest of us will be smirking at the Darwin Award winner.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:09AM (1 child)
Someone with a CCW? Classic Country-Western? On the radio of their compensating coal-rolling 4x4 pick-em-up truck, with the loser Confederate flag? Fucking Country Nazis! Sgt. York has something for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:12AM
Counter clock-wise, or the trigonometric sense. It makes sense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:12AM
So these are the dreams of Nazis? Hitler would roll over in his grave.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:01PM
Awkward! [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:24AM (1 child)
A Nazi has the right to their opinion. Just as muslims can walk around telling people they are going to conquer the world. You can't physically assault someone just because they are offensive or insane.
However, if they attack you first or engage in behaviour which counts as an attack then sure defend yourself to the limit the law allows and have them dragged in front of a court to face justice.
Unless they take over the country in which case we're screwed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 19 2019, @01:09AM
No, they do not. They have a right to medical treatment in a Soviet Gulag, or an American one. Of Spandau prison, for life. Nazis never surrendered, they are still in a state of war with the rest of the world, the whole world. Kind of what happens when you loose a World War, against the Whole World. So their opinions are not right, because they are crimes against humanity, as we determined by a Judicial Procedure of the International Tribunal at Nuremberg. So Nazis do not have rights to their opinion, because their opinion is a crime and an act of aggressive war, and a crime against the peace, and just really factually incorrect and stupid. This is why they need to be punched in the face, to get their attention and see if they realize what they are saying.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:17AM
Are you referring to mosques?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:40PM (2 children)
His actions speak for themselves.
As for labels, I have no idea what radical, right/left wing or even means. In my eyes, Trump is a left-wing radical terrorist: By refusing to sign the budget that wouldn't fund his large scale federal project he effectively started a labor strike. And while no one run the death toll, you can be sure some of the federal regulations that weren't being enforced at the time resulted in lives lost as factories poured poisons to our ground water knowing inspectors won't be banging on their doors.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:50PM (1 child)
And it shows bro.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:28PM
he probably doesn't even bake!