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Christchurch shootings at two mosques leave 49 dead, Australian arrested in relation to terror attack
At least one gunman with a semi-automatic weapon attacked worshippers gathering for Friday prayers in two locations: a mosque at Deans Avenue in central Christchurch and another mosque in the nearby suburb of Linwood.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed one of the people taken into custody was an Australian-born citizen.
The ABC has identified Grafton man Brenton Tarrant as the man visible in livestreamed footage of the attack.
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Two improvised explosive devices (IEDs) were found on a nearby vehicle, but defence force officers disarmed one and are still working on disarming the second.
stuff.co.nz - Black Caps v Bangladesh [cricket] test cancelled after gunmen attack Christchurch mosques
The test match between the Black Caps and Bangladesh will not go ahead.
The Bangladesh cricket team escaped the Christchurch mosque near Hagley Park where a mass shooting took place on Friday. They were due to play New Zealand a short distance away at Hagley Oval on Saturday.
stuff.co.nz - live coverage
* A gunman walked into a mosque on Deans Ave, Christchurch carrying a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire. He live streamed the attack.
* A second shooting occurred at a mosque in Linwood.
* At least 49 people were dead as of 9pm - 41 at the Central Mosque, 7 at Linwood Mosque, 1 in Christchurch Hospital.
* 48 people are in hospital with gunshots wounds as of 9pm, including young children. Other injured went to medical centres.
* A 28-year-old man has been charged with murder and is due to appear in the Christchurch District Court on Saturday morning.
* He was arrested on Brougham St in a car which had explosives and guns inside.
El Grauniad - Rightwing extremist wrote manifesto before livestreaming Christchurch shooting
The man who livestreamed himself attacking a Christchurch mosque and murdering at least 40 people identified himself online before the rampage as Australian citizen Brenton Tarrant.
On a now-deleted Twitter account, Tarrant posted multiple photos of what appear to be machine gun magazines and a link to what is being described as a manifesto for his actions.
The 74-page document starts off quoting a Dylan Thomas poem, Do not go gentle into that good night, and then moves onto a rant about white genocide.
Tarrant outlines his motivations: including to “create an atmosphere of fear” and to “incite violence” against Muslims while offering up autobiographical details.
(Score: 5, Informative) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @09:06PM (34 children)
As all good nutjubs he needs a manifesto. As far as recent once go his ain't bad, it's fairly short and he seem to be somewhat on point and it doesn't appear to be a massive cut-n-paste-job like the one that Breivik produced as he tries to explain his world views and what needs to be done according to him. As a summary it seems that if only all the muslims go back to the middle east and know their place he is going to be cool with that.
That said he is clearly not on the level of Ted Kaczynski as far as manifestos goes, comparing the two you can see the difference between an educated thinking mind and one that isn't firing on all cylinder.
His manifesto, for however long that link lasts.
https://pastebin.com/bzZyMduP [pastebin.com]
Kaczynski / Unabomber manifesto
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/unabom-manifesto-1.html [nytimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:19PM (4 children)
He raises some interesting points that are well supported by historical precedents, but it's hard to take him seriously when he's in the PewDiePie camp.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @09:28PM (3 children)
I would agree that there are interesting aspects in it. If anything really drags it down it's his little Q&A session, I assume he is trying to be funny or just taking the piss out of people alternatively he is trying to speak with his target audience (young people and internet trolls?). It seems in part as if he was raised on internet memes and 4ch-type places. Silly references to PewDiePie and Fortnite sort of seem to put him in that corner.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:59PM (2 children)
He's a psychopath, he's deliberately implicating them - Observe. [mirror.co.uk]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:45AM (1 child)
The dumbass went to a nuthouse to open a gym, and shook hands with one of the nuts. WTF? He likes nuts, or he doesn't like nuts, what's the difference? He went to a nuthouse, but he didn't expect to meet nuts? Crazy fucks to crazy things, like cutting themselves, cutting other people, all sorts of batshit crazy stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:55AM
Where's RealDonaldTrump when we need him? This guy [telegraph.co.uk] has nothing on Jeffery Epstein.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday March 15 2019, @09:28PM (10 children)
I've read a few manifestos before. It seems that invariably, the press describes them as "rambling" even if not actually the case.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @09:42PM
I would say that is probably true. A possible reason could be that they are usually against the system and the press is part of the system so the press is not about to print the manifesto of some mass-murderer and at the same time tell all their readers/viewers that this guy has some solid points in his reasoning. Another one could quite frankly be the level of education, as an example Kaczynski was an educated genius while these newer once has at best been written by mediocre high school graduates (or equivalent) that have no experience in writing or composing a longer supportive text with a clear line of reasoning from start to finish. Instead you get these cut-n-paste word-processed hatchet jobs where there really isn't much of a filter between thought and what gets pushed out via the keyboard, there isn't much time spent thinking about it and probably not any actual rewrites, so it comes of as rambling by comparison -- or in some cases they actually are just ramblings.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:52PM (8 children)
I have to say this one is. I've read Elliot Rodger's manifesto, and it was much more coherent than this piece. I was surprised that George Soros wasn't mentioned. He did talk about the "resurrected Knights Templar" and "Knight Justiciar Breivik" giving him "the blessing for this attack".
MSM will be sure to try to link it with Trump, who got a brief mention. Some of the partisan trash here is already running off on those lines.
Thanks to loorg for posting the link, before our "gatekeepers" had a chance to hide it.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @10:08PM (1 child)
If I'm reading this correctly he claims to have been in contact with Breivik, even tho only briefly. Basically he would have to have been penpals with Anders? And he isn't on some kind of watch-list after that? Or should that be interpreted as the brother knights on behalf of Breivik sanctioning it? Either way it brings up this Knights Templar idea or fantasy. Breivik wrote a fair bit about it and claimed to be part of it but I guess it was always assumed that it was mostly a complete fabrication and part of his own imagination. So shared fantasies or actual people?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:24PM
I understood out of that, that he contacted some people who called themselves the Knights Templar, who put him in contact with Breivik, and the two then phoned/wrote each other.
Norway may have been honoring Breivik's (and this guy's) privacy, but intelligence agencies are probably going to have some questions and "suggestions" to the Norwegian prison service.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:21AM (5 children)
O'Crazio-Cortez already linked it to the NRA and to people who use phrases like "thoughts and prayers". https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/luis-valdes/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-attacks-the-nra-for-the-new-zealand-mosque-shootings/ [thetruthaboutguns.com]
(Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:22AM (4 children)
Shut the fuch up, Runaway, or I will start a prayer circle aimed in your general direction. We will pray you grow a brain. Unfortunately, we are all atheists.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:54AM (2 children)
Can atheists have morals?
Sure. You can build a house without a foundation. Just hope for no earthquakes.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @11:20AM
Only atheists can have morals, religious nutjobs just follow commands.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:58PM
Wheee, moral epistemology! Tell us where morals come from, O Believer. I may not be an atheist but I know for damn sure the answer isn't "the Abrahamic God."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:08AM
Even if you weren't, not for nothing is it said "against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by melikamp on Friday March 15 2019, @10:06PM (17 children)
What I found very interesting is that NZ police is asking the footage of the attack not to be shared online:
According to some other stuff i read (WaPo?) NZ police is also warning that sharing this footage may be illegal. Even the manifesto, which looorg suspects won't be up forever, is probably going to suffer a similar fate.
I have a message for NZ police, when it comes to this narrow issue: fuck you. You don't want disturbing footage to be "shared" via social media? Then make a goddamn web library of disturbing footage on your own servers, at taxpayer's expense, and let us (the public) share unoffensive links to that library. Actually, if people knew you and/or some journalist outlet are hosting this stuff, they wouldn't be sharing jack in the first place. They are resorting to the social media because the rest of the media is blacking it out. I don't believe we can have an honest and informed discussion about white nazi terrorism when sharing documentary footage is against the law. I understand all that monkey see monkey do reasoning, but I am not buying it. This ship has sailed the moment internet came to town, and these attempts at censorship are just pathetic, and send the wrong message.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by c0lo on Friday March 15 2019, @11:01PM (16 children)
Personal question, just from curiosity: what do you expect you'll find of value in the footage/manifesto?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:37AM (1 child)
What is the value of even discussing this terrorism event at all? Bad thing happened, you're told to believe it is bad, that is all to it. Stand down and await further instructions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:53AM
Fuck off. That's not an answer to the raised question, the question still stands.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:27AM (3 children)
One might expect to find some understanding of a human mind in the manifesto - however right or wrong that mind is.
And, you might expect to see, and to learn, just how horrible a massacre is, from the video. Some people might learn compassion for the victims. Others might learn to hate the perp. We do have a problem with the media, in that they sanitize everything, interpret it for us, and tell us what to think. Some thinking people might draw different conclusions than some suited penis wrinkle sitting in an office has told us to draw.
"Beware he who would deny you access to information for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
Why do you ask? Do your masters disapprove of this information?
(Score: 2, Troll) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:15AM
Ah, I see you like pop culture.
FTFY
Is your short memory failing so badly, Runaway? 'cause just before the question there are exactly 3 words explaining why.
Oh! you were finished? Well allow me to retort [youtube.com].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:20AM (1 child)
Compassion? Are you serious? Centuries worth of murder and slavery by muslims is in no way balanced by this act.
Historian K. S. Lal in his book Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India claims that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD, the population of the Indian subcontinent decreased from 200 to 170 million. In Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India meanwhile he claimed that it fell from 200 million to 120 million by establishment of the Mughal empire because of killings, deportations, dissemination, wars, and famines. He stated that his estimates were tentative and did not claim any finality. Will Durant calls the Muslim conquest of India "probably the bloodiest story in history". During this period, Buddhism declined rapidly while Hinduism faced military-led and Sultanates-sponsored religious violence.
If you want an opinion on what muslims are really like you can ask a Hindu [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:00AM
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
FTFY
(Score: 3, Interesting) by darkfeline on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:48AM (2 children)
It's important for the historical record. Nothing good had ever come out of suppressing history, just look at the historical record. Ah, of course if history has been suppressed, you wouldn't have known that.
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:23AM (1 child)
If you say?
I wonder how much you believe you know the present, much less the history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:37AM
History is usually written by the winners. In some rare cases the losers get to have their say and survive to pass it down to the next generation.
The Nazi were famous for trying to destroy history with book burning. Muslims have done the same. You win, you get to describe what happened. Those who come after will just have to take your word for it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by melikamp on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:11AM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:18AM
Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:52AM (1 child)
If for nothing else it may show why he did this
Nothing says anyone else has to go on a killing rampage
It's like the guy thought this was centuries ago when anyone could just travel to another land to slaughter as they like
At least the guy didn't try to force them to convert to another religion [christiantoday.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:06AM
Oh, wow, what a magnanimous character. Let's sanctify him, name him one of Hitler's apostles; you see, neither Hitler tried forced religious conversions.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday March 18 2019, @04:29PM (2 children)
Michael Bay's remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre grossed $80 million.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday March 18 2019, @04:42PM (1 child)
Oh, wow! You convinced me, that's an impressive value, yes.
I wonder how much one can get for the Christchurch Massacre video assuming it can secure the copyright?
And, if the copyright is impossible to secure... maaybee an astute entrepreneur can organize another massacre? Not like the initial investment is high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday March 19 2019, @01:24PM
The Copyright, I think, belongs to whoever shot the "tape." Who was the same one that shot the people. Find the videographer and you find the killer, right? We have to go see Peter Jackson and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. The top New Zealand movie -- or video people. We have to talk to them about, what's really going on in this "tape."
And, something interesting. So many folks go to see our very violent movies, play our violent Video Games. And that makes them go out and kill, kill kill. But somebody went out and killed -- a lot. Made this amazing "tape." And maybe the New Zealand "tape" will bring people back to our movie theaters. So hopefully some good will come out of it. Great for economy. Condolences to N.Z. & the survivors!