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Complex societies gave birth to big gods, not the other way around: study
"It has been a debate for centuries why humans, unlike other animals, cooperate in large groups of genetically unrelated individuals," says Seshat director and co-author Peter Turchin from the University of Connecticut and the Complexity Science Hub Vienna. Factors such as agriculture, warfare, or religion have been proposed as main driving forces.
One prominent theory, the big or moralizing gods hypothesis, assumes that religious beliefs were key. According to this theory, people are more likely to cooperate fairly if they believe in gods who will punish them if they don't. "To our surprise, our data strongly contradict this hypothesis," says lead author Harvey Whitehouse. "In almost every world region for which we have data, moralizing gods tended to follow, not precede, increases in social complexity." Even more so, standardized rituals tended on average to appear hundreds of years before gods who cared about human morality.
When ancient societies hit a million people, vengeful gods appeared
The God depicted in the Old Testament may sometimes seem wrathful. And in that, he's not alone; supernatural forces that punish evil play a central role in many modern religions.
[...] But which came first: complex societies or the belief in a punishing god?
The researchers found that belief in moralizing gods usually followed increases in social complexity, generally appearing after the emergence of civilizations with populations of more than about 1 million people.
"It was particularly striking how consistent it was [that] this phenomenon emerged at the million-person level," Savage said. "First, you get big societies, and these beliefs then come."
All in all, "our research suggests that religion is playing a functional role throughout world history, helping stabilize societies and people cooperate overall," Savage said. "In really small societies, like very small groups of hunter-gatherers, everyone knows everyone else, and everyone's keeping an eye on everyone else to make sure they're behaving well. Bigger societies are more anonymous, so you might not know who to trust."
(Score: 2, Troll) by dry on Tuesday March 26 2019, @04:29AM (1 child)
The problem with communism is that it was usually used or taken over by, totalitarians. For a country full of serfs or the equivalent, communism sounds great, get rid of the government, share everything and have a pure democracy, but it seems every communist revolution saw totalitarians take charge and do what totalitarians do.
The real problem is simply that ruthless totalitarians usually win and take over when the revolution involves really poor people with no experience with self government.
OTOH, you have revolutions like America's where the people revolted due to their rights as Englishmen being abused and had rallying cries like "no taxation without representation" because they were used to self government, at least to some degree and went on to create a system of government similar to what they were already used to.
(Score: 2) by curunir_wolf on Friday April 05 2019, @09:46PM
Actually, the problem is it doesn't work at all in a society with more than 50-100 people, because then the population starts competing to be the most needy or the least able.
I am a crackpot