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posted by chromas on Wednesday March 27 2019, @12:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the vax-papers-please dept.

Emergency Declared in NY over Measles: Unvaccinated Barred from Public Spaces:

Plagued by a tenacious outbreak of measles that began last October, New York's Rockland County declared a state of emergency Tuesday and issued a directive barring unvaccinated children from all public spaces.

Effective at midnight Wednesday, March 27, anyone aged 18 or younger who has not been vaccinated against the measles is prohibited from public spaces in Rockland for 30 days or until they get vaccinated. Public spaces are defined broadly in the directive as any places:

[W]here more than 10 persons are intended to congregate for purposes such as civic, governmental, social, or religious functions, or for recreation or shopping, or for food or drink consumption, or awaiting transportation, or for daycare or educational purposes, or for medical treatment. A place of public assembly shall also include public transportation vehicles, including but not limited to, publicly or privately owned buses or trains...

The directive follows an order from the county last December that barred unvaccinated children from schools that did not reach a minimum of 95 percent vaccination rate. That order—and the directive issued today—are intended to thwart the long-standing outbreak, which has sickened 153 people, mostly children.

What were they waiting for? A pox on them all?


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Sourcery42 on Wednesday March 27 2019, @03:04PM (9 children)

    by Sourcery42 (6400) on Wednesday March 27 2019, @03:04PM (#820679)

    It's not limited to anti-vaxxers or their children either. Those who are too young to be vaccinated or have legitimate medical reasons for not being vaccinated also benefit from herd immunity. Anti-vaxxers choices put them at risk too.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @03:23PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @03:23PM (#820692)

    Those who are too young to be vaccinated

    This is the most dangerous myth about vaccines out there. Please stop repeating it.

    The "too young" children are not vaccinated because they are already protected by maternal antibodies. The problem is that if the mother was vaccinated these maternal antibodies wane faster. So the age of vaccination needs to be moved up, but it isnt socially acceptable because of people like you.

    Just by the sheer numbers of people repeating this myth it is far worse than any effect a small number of "anti-vaxxers" could have. I repeat: You are putting children in danger by spreading this myth.

    The recommended age for vaccination in the US changed from 9 months in 1963 to 12 months in 1965 and 15 months in 1976 in response to data showing higher seroconversion rates at older ages in absence of maternal antibodies [7].
      [...]
    The first two studies comparing both groups of infants were conducted in the US [29] and the UK [30]. Women vaccinated with live attenuated measles vaccine had lower amounts of antibodies and passed on shorter term protection against measles to their children (up to the age of 8 months) than naturally infected mothers (up to the age of 11 months). Lennon and Black [29] calculated the proportion of children expected to be susceptible to measles infection and responsive to vaccine by infant's age and mothers birth year cohort in the US. The children of younger mothers appeared to be sooner susceptible to measles infection: measles GMT declined sharply among women with birth-years between 1955 and 1961. This was the cohort vaccinated at the start of vaccination programmes in the US.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21133659 [nih.gov]

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:15PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:15PM (#820775)

      You do realize what you write says in order to be vaccinated you must be susceptible to measles?
      Which means the first vaccination date will have to be AFTER the babies have lost the protection, ergo they are unprotected and at risk for some time in-between.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @06:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @06:01PM (#820822)

        Which means the first vaccination date will have to be AFTER the babies have lost the protection, ergo they are unprotected and at risk for some time in-between.

        Ideally they would individually test for maternal antibodies to drop below a certain level, but yea the goal is to minimize this time as much as possible. People who spread this myth are causing this time to be extended needlessly.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @08:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @08:58PM (#820945)

      There is research in the area that suggests that difference (among other differences) is that an actual measles infection results in a latent infection. Similar to herpes or chicken pox, you don't completely fight off measles, but rather it self-limits and then your body gets it under control. It also makes sense that mothers who got measles would provide more antibodies, as a higher level is needed to keep the latent infection under control.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by stormreaver on Wednesday March 27 2019, @04:51PM (3 children)

    by stormreaver (5101) on Wednesday March 27 2019, @04:51PM (#820760)

    ...also benefit from herd immunity.

    Which makes no sense whatsoever, once you understand that the vaccine does not protect against transmission. The only one affected by the vaccine is the one receiving it. The vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are both transmission vectors. The vaccinated are probably more likely to spread Measles since there is a 100% chance that they carry the virus for at least several days (and possibly much longer) after receiving the vaccine. While the unvaccinated have a lesser chance of carrying the virus, since they weren't purposely injected with it.

    There's more, but this NY policy is a swing and a miss.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:13PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 27 2019, @05:13PM (#820772)

      I can only hope someone downvotes this because it is complete nonsense.
      While the virus used for vaccination is live, it is not only weakened but also not just any random strain. Even if transmission should be possible, you do NOT infect people with actual measles.
      That would be like calling the bird flu H1N1 just because they are both a flu virus. Wrong and misleading.

      • (Score: 2) by stormreaver on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:16AM (1 child)

        by stormreaver (5101) on Thursday March 28 2019, @01:16AM (#821084)

        Even if transmission should be possible, you do NOT infect people with actual measles.

        So Merck marketing people say. But they are known to have lied to protect Merck's vaccine profits at the expense of the public.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 28 2019, @02:13AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 28 2019, @02:13AM (#821112)

          According to their latest financial filing, MMR2 made up just under 1.42% of sales, and markedly less than that of profit. Yeah, in terms of raw dollars, the money they make in sales sounds like a lot, but compared to the tens of billions of dollars in profit, let alone raw sales, it is basically a rounding error. Plus, big companies care about profit margins and vaccines have almost none compared to the latest and greatest drugs they pump out.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 28 2019, @03:41AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 28 2019, @03:41AM (#821148)

    Sadly, children under 1, the most vulnerable, used to be protected from measles by being breastfed by mothers with natural immunity. Vaccines put our most vulnerable in harms way.