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Free speech has potentially been taken down another peg in NZ with a woman arrested for a Facebook post about the Christchurch shootings. The woman has been arrested on suspicion of "inciting racial disharmony" after a message was posted to her Facebook page. She faces a maximum penalty of three months’ imprisonment or a NZ$7000 fine and living in a society that condemns free speech. However, given the recent ruling in Australia that 'Muslim' is not a 'race' she may get off given that the law she is accused of breaking is of one who “publishes or distributes written matter which is threatening, abusive, or insulting” to other people . This means that it may very well be legal at this time to insult people of a specific religion.
Decades ago they relied on neighbors to find subversives; now they just check social media.
[Ed.: The above is a paraphrase of the linked-to story, not a direct quote, and with submitter's editorialising left in. -- FP (honouring people's right to free speech ;-) )]
Also covered by the NZ Herald.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Friday March 29 2019, @11:40PM (10 children)
If by "SJW" you mean "promoter of free speech," then yes.
if by "SJW" you mean some kind of pejorative, I feel pity for you that you can't do any better.
Either way, please do carry on. Your speech is just as free as anyone else's, even if you're the poster child for this old saw [quoteinvestigator.com].
Have a lovely evening!
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday March 30 2019, @07:22AM (9 children)
Strange, is it not, that some think that social justice would not include freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and all the things that go with that. So, if you are opposed to social justice, you are in favor of social injustice, and you are a Loyalist, a Fascist, a NobHobbler, a Monarchist, a Catholic, or Polish. In any of these cases, you are a Reactionary, and your case is already lost. King? Who made you king, then? I didn't vote for you!" [youtube.com]
Or, do you think that light skinned idiots are somehow superior to the Slavs and Celts? [ssoar.info]
Fascism seeks to impose the values of a dead society upon the living, using the power of the state, and thus it is doomed to fail. It is always a minority movement, like the 12% that support Trump, and the 35% that support Brexit, and the 2% that support the National Front, and the .05% that support Poland's anti-women legislation. They are going down, even without the help of Captain America, who, by the way, is a Social Justice Warrior.
(Score: 3, Disagree) by Phoenix666 on Saturday March 30 2019, @12:13PM (4 children)
That's not what "social justice" has come to mean, my friend. If you break it down, and ask anyone, "Do you believe in freedom of speech? Equal justice under law?" and so on, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who will disagree. In
America or nearly any Western society, at least, you will find those values almost universally supported. So social justice is esteemed. "Social justice," however, is not.
"Social justice" is actually a lightly re-skinned version of the playbook the Left has been running for 30 years, which is to silence anyone whose ideas they don't like by branding them "racist" or "sexist" or some other pejorative generally indicative of bigotry. It builds on the success of Zionists' use of the tactic of branding anyone who disagrees with them an "anti-Semite" to extract political, economic, and social concessions. It has worked for a long time with a lot of people.
Recently its wheels have been coming off. Specifically, #MeToo exposed the hypocrisy of those in the media and Hollywood who have been calling everyone else misogynist, et cetera; AntiFa and the attempted assassination of Rep. Steve Scalise at a congressional baseball game have shattered the conceit that it's people on the Right who are the violent ones; and the inevitable gyres of intersectional identity politics have bent around to bite feminists and LGBT advocates in the ass as transgender advocates and muslims have displaced them or destroyed decades of their gains. Meanwhile, the hubris, the smarmy narcissism, the snide pontification, have, nevertheless, continued undiminished.
Given those things, it points up how restrained everyone else has actually been in merely calling them "social justice warriors." I can think of far worse expressions of scorn that spring lightly to my lips, because they purpose nothing to do with actual social justice or the commonweal.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:49PM
Lawl, speaking of smarmy narcissism
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @03:41PM
In all things it is important to see what the actions of individuals espousing said ideology really are. After all , the DPRK really isn't democratic and the soviet union had a bitchin constitution. Authoritarians of all stripes love to hide behind lofty terms. I've come to realize that many official titles in governance and large organization actually do the exact opposite of what they claim. So today's social justice warriors say they are for free speech and equality while mocking "freeze peach" and trying to get their in group into a position of dominance.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday March 30 2019, @07:11PM
So, SJW just means too much social justice? Insisting that everyone be treated with dignity and respect is a step too far? What about the rights of discriminating religions to relegate queers and Methodists to hell? What about the right of closeted gay people to pray away the gay by not baking wedding cakes? What about the right to a standard of living, education, and medical care that is a mark of an actual respect for an individual as an end-in-itself? Sorry, Phoenix, the Left is not "the other side", it is the right side, the side of justice.
Now is the time to bring up the Soviet Union, the persecution of VLM, the agony of the jmorris! "Oh, the injustice that the unjust are not allowed to freely practice their injustice! Fie upon thee, SJWs! Fie!"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by AthanasiusKircher on Sunday March 31 2019, @12:24AM
Here's the thing: I actually agree with a lot of what you said. Zionists do have success partially by branding anyone who questions Israeli policy as "anti-Semitic," and that's a serious problem of ad hominem. And some on the Left have done similar things to simply call someone "bigoted" rather than engage in serious discussion.
But I neither agree with the Left nor the Right -- both of which tend be full of BS at times, as you are here a bit. Because SJW is precisely the same sort of BS ad hominem term to shut down discussion as "anti-Semite" is to the Zionists.
So, make your points, but realize your hypocrisy. Not all who are concerned about anti-Semitism are blind Zionists with an agenda -- they may be legitimately concerned about places where Jews are legitimately still targeted for discrimination, aggression, etc. Similarly, not everyone who argues against sexism or racism or whatever is also just out to yell at conservatives. Despite the Right's narrative, there is still serious racism and sexism in the world. MeToo has gone too far in some cases, but it has also revealed SERIOUS and PERVASIVE issues in how women are still treated in mainstream society, especially by many men in power.
One can be concerned about legitimate sexism and racism without blindly labeling every non-liberal a "bigot."
Meanwhile, SJW is a lazy cop-out, used to brand and denigrate rather than to promote rational argument. Call out the Zionists for their flaws and rhetoric, but then look in the mirror.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:32PM (2 children)
12% that support Trump. The talk show host asked yesterday, "When was the last time a politician packed a stadium, and had tens of thousands standing outside wanting in?" Which part of "populist" did you fail to understand.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @06:59PM (1 child)
Nuremberg, 1938?
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Sunday March 31 2019, @01:55AM
Was that a democrat, a republican, or "other"?
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @05:28PM
There are already statues of Trump on Mars, and you think only 12% of Americans support him?
https://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2016/07/donald-trump-face-found-on-mars-in-nasa.html [ufosightingsdaily.com]