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posted by FatPhil on Friday March 29 2019, @11:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the bring-on-your-best-shitposts dept.

The planet's prodigious poo problem

How much poo is generated by the world’s farms?

Recent research has estimated that by 2030, the planet will be generating at least 5bn tonnes of poo each year, with the vast majority being deposited by livestock. With 80% of farms in the Netherlands already producing more cow dung than they can legally use as fertiliser, and China resorting to drastic measures to try to reduce the amount of manure being discharged into rivers, scientists say this is a major environment and health challenge.

“It’s a huge problem,” says Joe Brown, professor of environmental engineering at Georgia Institute of Technology. “Animal waste is going up because as populations and wealth increase, there’s a bigger demand for protein. But while we’ve seen lots of initiatives to safely manage human waste, nobody is talking about this.” [...]

What are the knock-on environmental risks?

Because most first world farming systems are highly concentrated, industrial operations, this produces very concentrated streams of waste. Unless these are dealt with rapidly, they can pollute the air with large amounts of harmful gases such as ammonia, nitrous oxide and hydrogen sulphide.

Inhaling these toxic fumes can be lethal in large quantities, and studies have repeatedly shown that people who live near industrial farms have a much greater risk of chronic asthma, respiratory irritation, immune suppression, and even mood disorders.

Water pollution and climate change are also issues.

[Ed's notes: My first thoughts are on how this might be mirroring Victorian-era poolution in cities before cars took over, and from there to how many other times too much poo from too many nearby animals has deleteriously affected the humans who were encouraging the growth of the problem. Feel free to fling other examples at me if you can think of them! -- FP]


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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 29 2019, @11:16PM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 29 2019, @11:16PM (#822095)

    more cow dung than they can legally use as fertiliser

    Why should there be a limit on how much practically free, readily available, all-natural fertilizer you can use? Sounds like big chem had a hand in writing that one.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 29 2019, @11:22PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 29 2019, @11:22PM (#822099)

    No, there is a limit to how much fertilizer the soil needs. Exceed that and the excess runs off into rivers etc. If you have a country with lots of Indians, like India, the soil will already be well fertilized especially near streets.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 29 2019, @11:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 29 2019, @11:37PM (#822113)

      It is crucial that European food producers have access to the fullest range of fertilizers.
      [...]
      The new Regulation is intended to create a level playing field for all fertilizing materials in Europe. It also addresses their environmental impact by defining common quality, safety and labelling requirements, including limits on undesirable elements.

      https://www.fertilizerseurope.com/new-fertilizer-regulation/ [fertilizerseurope.com]

      Sounds like regulatory capture to me. Safety and labeling requirements for cow shit vs something developed in a lab?

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 30 2019, @01:57AM (5 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday March 30 2019, @01:57AM (#822162) Homepage Journal

      That and if you use too much it has an effect opposite the one you're after; it kills the plants.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:05AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:05AM (#822168)

        You need a law to stop farmers from killing their own plants?

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 30 2019, @03:07AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 30 2019, @03:07AM (#822198) Journal

          Nah, mate. It takes a law for the cattle farming to stop dropping excessive poo on plant farming.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @03:13AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @03:13AM (#822199)

            wat? cattle farming "drops poo"?

            You mean the farmers are allowing the ranchers to let their livestock shit on their land?

            • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday March 31 2019, @05:16AM

              by dry (223) on Sunday March 31 2019, @05:16AM (#822643) Journal

              Dairy farms around here, along with chicken farms and pig farms. The chicken shit in particular is strong shit with enough nitrogen to easily burn plants.
              You go through the farming country here and you smell the shit as they're always spreading it on the fields.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 30 2019, @10:46AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday March 30 2019, @10:46AM (#822280) Homepage Journal

          Not usually, no. You do occasionally need one to keep them from creating another dust bowl and killing everyone's plants years down the road but not so much on killing their own plants this year.

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    • (Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday March 31 2019, @04:20AM

      by driverless (4770) on Sunday March 31 2019, @04:20AM (#822633)

      Couldn't we ship the surplus to Fernando Poo? Sounds like it's made for it.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Saturday March 30 2019, @04:31AM (8 children)

    by Reziac (2489) on Saturday March 30 2019, @04:31AM (#822227) Homepage

    Actually, at least in the U.S. most feedlot manure is recycled into nitrogen fertilizer. Fact is there's a shortage of manure, relative to modern farming's hunger for fertilizer -- which is why about half the nitrogen fertilizer used requires production of ammonia using natural gas.

    And while CO2, sunlight, and water are the limiting factors for growth, and machinery is the limiting factor for efficiency -- nitrogen is the limiting factor for yields. Without it, our crop production ability would be back in the 1800s.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 30 2019, @10:47AM (7 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday March 30 2019, @10:47AM (#822281) Homepage Journal

      If only there were a large, free source of nitrogen somewhere...

      Yes, I know. It's still funny though.

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      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday March 30 2019, @12:15PM

        by RS3 (6367) on Saturday March 30 2019, @12:15PM (#822314)

        > If only there were a large, free source of nitrogen somewhere...

        Now if you could somehow capture all the excess nitrogen here on SN using code...

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday March 30 2019, @01:02PM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 30 2019, @01:02PM (#822321) Journal

        If only there were a large, free source of nitrogen somewhere...

        Notice the phrase in the grandparent

        which is why about half the nitrogen fertilizer used requires production of ammonia using natural gas.

        There's a lot of nitrogen in the air for free, but it's not free to turn it into a form that plants can use.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @01:48PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @01:48PM (#822335)

          It is not like we have an entire category of plants that can bind nitrogen in the soil.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume#Nitrogen_fixation [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:01PM (2 children)

            by Reziac (2489) on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:01PM (#822338) Homepage

            But to keep up with the needs of crops, you need 3 years of legumes for every year of high-production crops, and even then you'll slowly lose enough nitrogen that your yields will drop. And legumes that produce edible crops tend to both require a lot of water, and to be sensitive to temperature (frex, peas will only grow in cool weather).

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @06:55PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 30 2019, @06:55PM (#822442)

              So what? I don't feel bad for your industrial exploitation of nature.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 31 2019, @04:00AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 31 2019, @04:00AM (#822622) Journal

                So what?

                The grandparent stated that three years of growing legumes were required per year of cash crop. Just taken at face value, growing one good crop every four years is not free, but rather a very high cost operation.

      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:04PM

        by Reziac (2489) on Saturday March 30 2019, @02:04PM (#822340) Homepage

        If only there were a large, free, and magically bio-available source.... I don't know why someone hasn't developed a way to plow in some atmosphere and make it usable by all. This legume supremacy needs to end..

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